Mr. BEERS. I went to the basement of the city hall, and then on through the basement out into the police parking area in the basement of the city hall. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you station yourself some place in the parking area? Mr. BEERS. Yes; I did. I went into the parking area and was in general conversation with various and sundry members of the press who were there for a short while, and I discovered that there was an area along a railing which is on the east side of the driveway that goes through the basement of the city hall, next to some television cameras that would permit one cameraman to be in this area without obstructing the view of the television cameras, so I went to this railing and I stayed there, sitting on this railing until the transfer had started. When I stood up on the railing and made photographs as Mr. Oswald was being transferred, which included the pictures of Mr. Ruby shooting Mr. Oswald. Then I remained standing on the railing and shot three or four or so further negatives of the scuffle that was going on. Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to hand you--I will turn this around--I am going to hand you what is a diagram of the basement area in the municipal building. I have marked this diagram “Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1964, Ira J. Beers’ Exhibit 5352.” Let me try to explain it a little bit to you. Here is Commerce Street along the right-hand side, and Main Street along the left-hand side, and near the bottom of the page, is a ramp which says, “down ramp leading from Main Street into the basement area,” and following on up towards Commerce Street you see something marked, “up ramp.” In this area here is the parking area of the garage. Here is the Police Department Building. Here is the jail office. This is the hallway that comes out from the public elevators near Harwood Street so that if you enter from Harwood you come down to this area, and you go up in the elevators here and walk through this hallway through some double doors, and you would be in the ramp area at the bottom of the basement floor. Now can you, taking your pen, at the time you took your position on the railing, would you show us where the TV cameras were placed? Can you mark that in rectangles of some sort? Mr. BEERS. [Marking on map.] These were live TV cameras that I have marked on the east side of the railing, and there was a sound on-film cameraman leaning against the railing right there [pointing]. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now this sound on-film camera, is this something that requires a tripod of some sort? Mr. BEERS. It may or may not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall if that one did? Mr. BEERS. He had a monopod or a unapod, which is a single leg support for the camera. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know who that man was? Mr. BEERS. Mr. George Phenix with KRLD-TV. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you put a figure 1, at the spot on the railing where you stationed yourself first? Mr. BEERS. Right here. Actually on the railing [marking.]