Mr. HUBERT. Now, what sentence are you talking about? Mr. HANKAL. This one--“The first reaction was that Oswald had grabbed a police officer’s gun. He also recalls seeing a man’s back directly in front of him obstructing his view of Oswald, and seemed to recall that immediately preceding that he had observed a blur of movement out of the corner of his eye,”--we didn’t go into it at the time--they were interested in my activity more than anything else, when this interview was held. Mr. HUBERT. Let me go into this and get it identified here in the record--you are speaking of this sentence--this is the sentence in the second paragraph on page 2 and the sentence reads as follows: “The first reaction was that Oswald had grabbed the police officer’s gun. He also recalled seeing a man’s back directly in front of him obstructing his view of Oswald, and seemed to recall that immediately preceding that he had observed a blur of movement out of the corner of his eye.” Mr. HANKAL. This is all correct, but it should be added also--I did see--I know that man I later found out was Jack Ruby shoot Oswald. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you saw more than a blur--that’s what you have in mind? Mr. HANKAL. Yes; I saw---- Mr. HUBERT. You saw a blur first? Mr. HANKAL. And then the action. Mr. HUBERT. And then your attention was directed to the action by the blur? Mr. HANKAL. Right. Mr. HUBERT. So, actually, you saw a man coming? Mr. HANKAL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Where was he coming from? Mr. HANKAL. To my right. Mr. HUBERT. How far away was he? Mr. HANKAL. I believe since I made that statement it has been paced off and set at about 9 feet. Mr. HUBERT. Now, in order that we may have a graphic record of the matter, I am showing you a chart of the basement area, and you are now sitting before the FBI mockup of substantially the same area except that it doesn’t cover all the parking area. I have marked that chart as follows: “Dallas, Tex., April 17, 1964, Exhibit 5338, Deposition of R. L. Hankal,” and I have signed my name on it. Now, before we go into positions to be marked on that map, may I ask you how long you had been in the basement area prior to the shooting? Mr. HANKAL. Somewhere around 2 or 3 hours and the night before. Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever seen Ruby around at any time? Mr. HANKAL. Not that I recall. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him? Mr. HANKAL. No; I didn’t. Mr. HUBERT. And when you testified a moment ago that you saw the man Ruby shoot Oswald, is it correct to state that you did not at that time know that the man doing the shooting was Jack Ruby? Mr. HANKAL. That’s correct. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, you did assume a position in the basement for some time prior to the actual shooting and it was a rather static position, wasn’t it? Mr. HANKAL. The evening before we were positioned directly across from the jail office door. The next day when we came to work, we moved our camera across the ramp down into the parking area.