Mr. HUBERT. Back of the rail? Mr. HANKAL. Back of the rail--we were shooting between the rails. Mr. HUBERT. Where were you, in fact, standing at the moment of the shooting? I ask you to place the spot first on the mockup and I give you the chart to mark a point at which you were standing after you fixed the point on the mockup. Mr. HANKAL. My camera was here just to the left of this center pole and shooting between the rails--we have a long vertical zoom lens and it stuck out between the rails--I was standing outside of the rail of the ramp to the left of the lens. Mr. HUBERT. Would you mark on this chart where you were standing? Mr. HANKAL. I was standing here [indicating and marking on the chart referred to]. Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have marked a place “X”. Now, put it in a circle, and I am drawing a line and writing the following “position of Hankal at time of shooting” is that correct? Mr. HANKAL. That’s correct. Mr. HUBERT. The camera was to your rear and left, is that right? Mr. HANKAL. To my right. Mr. HUBERT. To your right or to your left? Mr. HANKAL. To my right. Mr. HUBERT. So that the camera would have been approximately like this? Mr. HANKAL. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. I am drawing a square in which I am marking an “A” and I am drawing a line out and writing “position of live camera”--it was a live camera? Mr. HANKAL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. What is the station? Mr. HANKAL. KRLD. Mr. HUBERT. “KRLD”. It was there at all pertinent times--right? Mr. HANKAL. We moved and shot up here after the shots were fired. Mr. HUBERT. But before the shots were fired, that’s where you were? Mr. HANKAL. That’s right--before the shots were fired that’s where we were. Mr. HUBERT. Then, at all pertinent times prior to the shooting you were there? Mr. HANKAL. Right. Mr. HUBERT. The camera itself was back of the rail into the parking area--you were in front of the rail on the ramp? Mr. HANKAL. On the ramp in front of the rail--right. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know Jim Turner? Mr. HANKAL. No; I don’t. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know George Phenix? Mr. HANKAL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Was he there too? Mr. HANKAL. Oh, yes. Mr. HUBERT. What was the relative position between you and George? Mr. HANKAL. George was to my right, I believe, he was still here. Mr. HUBERT. Now, I am marking a position which you have designated on the mockup as being approximately where I am putting the letter “P” for Phenix, is that about right? Mr. HANKAL. That’s as I last saw him before the shooting. Mr. HUBERT. And I am drawing a line and writing “Phenix position according to Hankal,” is that right? Mr. HANKAL. Correct. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Huffaker? Mr. HANKAL. I do. Mr. HUBERT. Who is he? Mr. HANKAL. He is a newsman at KRLD. Mr. HUBERT. Where was he standing? Mr. HANKAL. Well, the last time I saw Bob before the shooting, he was just outside and to the left of the jail office door. Mr. HUBERT. How long before the shooting was that?