Mr. HUBERT. Now, could you more graphically show your position--I have asked you previously to study this FBI mockup of the jail office, showing also the Commerce and Main Street ramps, the ramp from the parking area into the street ramps, and I am going to ask you if you would show us, now, where you were when you first came into the area that this mockup shows, and I will explain the system that I will use. If you will point to the place on the mockup, we will then agree as to what that point is on the chart and mark it so, and then if you change positions from one to another, we will so indicate, so that any person who reads your testimony with this chart before them can follow it intelligently. Mr. PHENIX. All right. Mr. HUBERT. Now, in order that the chart may be properly identified, I am marking it as follows: “Dallas, Tex., April 16, 1964, Exhibit No. 5330, Deposition of George R. Phenix.” I will sign my name below that. Now, Mr. Phenix, at what time did you first come down into the basement and into this area? Mr. PHENIX. It was a little after 9 o’clock, according to that statement, it said 9:10--it was closer to 9 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. You remained in the basement area the entire time until the actual shooting? Mr. PHENIX. Right. Mr. HUBERT. I guess it is correct to state you didn’t stay in one particular spot all that time? Mr. PHENIX. Oh, I unloaded the gear from the car in the area between the two stop signs at the level portion there where cars normally stop. Mr. HUBERT. Will you point to that on here? Mr. PHENIX. Right here [indicating]. Mr. HUBERT. I am marking on Exhibit 5330 the spot where Mr. Phenix has stated that he unloaded the gear with a number one in a circle there and drawing a line from that, and I am writing “Spot where Phenix first unloaded gear at about 9:10 a.m.” What was that gear? Mr. PHENIX. The camera, the unipod, a microphone, and battery pack. Mr. HUBERT. You unloaded it from a truck? Mr. PHENIX. The Mobile News Unit--it is a station wagon we normally drive. Mr. HUBERT. Have I marked the spot correctly? Mr. PHENIX. Right, and then from there I think I milled around a little bit and said, “Hello,” to the newsmen I recognized from the day before on the third floor and all the available spots were taken over here at this corner which were really the best spots. Mr. HUBERT. Now, when you say “over here at this corner,” I am going to put the number 2 with a circle under it and draw a line out and indicate that you have stated that the place that I marked number 2 was the best spot, but already taken. Mr. PHENIX. By most of the photographers there. Mr. HUBERT. I am writing in the words “Phenix says this number 2 spot was already taken by other news media”---- Mr. PHENIX. Right. Mr. HUBERT. “When he arrived.” Is that a correct statement? Mr. PHENIX. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. All right, now you can go on?