Mr. PHENIX. Then, I picked a spot just inside this rail--I was standing on the curb--I was to the right of our live camera that was set up there. Mr. HUBERT. Was that on the parking area side of the rail or the ramp side of the rail? Mr. PHENIX. The ramp side--I was standing on the curb there, leaning against the rail, and the camera, part of the camera sticking out over the rail. Mr. HUBERT. Now, this chart does not show the rail itself except by a marked line, but it does show two posts and I ask you if it isn’t fair to state that what you are talking about is this position that I have here? Mr. PHENIX. Yes, that’s right, because I had a clear view down to the swinging doors. Mr. HUBERT. Let’s put it this way: I’m going to mark a line from two points, one point being number three and the other point number four--that line being the space between the two main posts. Mr. PHENIX. Okay. Mr. HUBERT. Looking at the mockup, there is a rail between those two main posts, and that rail is equally divided into three parts, by two vertical posters, is that correct? Mr. PHENIX. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. If we call one of the vertical posters point number five and the other one point number six, then as I understand your testimony you were on the ramp side rather than the parking area side of the rail? Mr. PHENIX. Correct. Mr. HUBERT. And you were approximately at the point by the post marked on this chart as point number six? Mr. PHENIX. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. I am marking point number six as “position of Phenix at the time of shooting.” Mr. PHENIX. Right. Mr. HUBERT. I think you have testified that immediately to your left there was a TV camera belonging to the same station as your own? Mr. PHENIX. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. I’m going to mark without any attempt to do it in scale by a square which I am marking “Square A” and drawing a line out to indicate position of KRLD TV camera. Mr. PHENIX. You might say live camera. Mr. HUBERT. Live camera--and that camera was just to your left and a bit back of you, because it was on the other side of the rail, right? Mr. PHENIX. Yes; the camera itself was behind me, the lens stuck out. Mr. HUBERT. Over the rail? Mr. PHENIX. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. There was another live camera in that area too, wasn’t there? Mr. PHENIX. Right--it was to the left of ours. Mr. HUBERT. So, again without attempting to draw this to scale, I will draw a rectangular figure, marking it “B” and state that that was the position of the other TV camera. Mr. PHENIX. I am not sure whose that was. Mr. HUBERT. It was another live camera, but not a KRLD? Mr. PHENIX. Right. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, your testimony is that as to the live camera which we have marked by rectangle with a “B” in the middle of that rectangle, you know it was a live camera and it was not a KRLD camera, but you don’t know whose camera it was?