Mr. TURNER. On the third floor, sir. This is while we were still up on the third floor, and waiting to get shots of Oswald being transferred from the elevator door to the questioning room, and he would continually come up and give--say, “They are going to bring him down in about 5 minutes.” And he usually was right, on each one of the tips he gave us. He mingled around in the press room up on the third floor a lot. He--I told Tom Pettit, which was the announcer up on the floor, that Oswald was coming down, and he said, “Where are you learning the information?” Mr. HUBERT. You asked this of this man? Mr. TURNER. Well, no; I didn’t ever ask him where he was learning his information, but I told--Tom Pettit asked me where I was getting this information, and I said, “Well, that man back over there,” and I pointed him out and he said, “Who is he?” And I said, “I don’t know who he is, but he is giving us some pretty good tips.” And he said, “Okay, keep using him, then.” From that point on, we saw him various times the whole, completely on the third. Mr. HUBERT. How many times do you think you saw him? Mr. TURNER. Oh, any number of times, 15 or 20. Just pass him in the hall. Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to have free movement? Mr. TURNER. That’s right. He had free movement on that floor. He had free movement in the basement. That was the only two floors we actually ever did see him, but he was on those floors, back to the press room, talking to the other reporters. Mr. HUBERT. All right, go ahead. Mr. TURNER. And, he--and then Sunday morning we came over. I ran into him in the restroom, and he seemed to just live there in the jail. Mr. HUBERT. Still had that trenchcoat? Mr. TURNER. And still carrying the little bag, same little bag. Mr. HUBERT. Did it seem to be a camera bag? Mr. TURNER. No; they were not camera bags. One little, thin portfolio, and I took the assumption he was selling insurance, from just looking at the little--something like an insuranceman might show to a customer, but that could be entirely wrong. Mr. HUBERT. And then he had another bag besides that? Mr. TURNER. That’s right. Something like a traveling kit. Somewhere about 2 inches deep. And we came again Sunday morning, and then we went through the shooting of Oswald, he wasn’t in the basement, to my knowledge at this point. Mr. HUBERT. When did you see him next? Mr. TURNER. The next time I saw him was approximately 15 minutes after the shooting when I started to our remote truck to pick up a mike line and a camera cable. The doors was being guarded by policemen, who stopped me, and I told them my business; why I wanted to leave the jail, and give them my name and he let me leave. Mr. HUBERT. That was at the Commerce Street entrance?