Mr. McKINZIE. They gives them a key to go out that door to carry the trash, and they bring the key back and carry them back down to the basement. Mr. HUBERT. They don’t have a key personally; the key is in the elevator on a ring, is that right? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And they have to get that key from the elevator operator? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Now, did you give the key to anybody that day, do you remember? Mr. McKINZIE. Well, I’m sure that I give it to--I don’t know which porter was working, just exactly. I think Alfreadia Riggs, or some of them, but I am sure I give them the key to unlock the back door to carry his trash out. Mr. HUBERT. Does that back door have a latch on it so that you can push it and it will stay open? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. That door requires a key all the time, either way? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. When they go out, how do they get back in? Mr. McKINZIE. They got to leave it open, or either carry the key to come back in. Mr. HUBERT. How did they leave it open? Mr. McKINZIE. They just walk out on the little ramp. The garbage cans is sitting right by the building, and they just, oh, about 4 feet from the door is about all, or 5 feet from the door is all they have to walk. They mostly have that trash in a sack, and just throw it in the corner and right back in the building. Mr. HUBERT. All right; now, after you had been told not to bring the elevator down to the basement any more, did you follow those orders? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. And you never brought the elevator down at all any more? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; not until--well, I know it was 11:30, probably 12 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. It was after the shooting? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; it was after the shooting. Mr. HUBERT. And you want to say now that that elevator never came down to the bottom floor all the time? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; it didn’t. Mr. HUBERT. All right; you also state, so that we can be clear that after you took the elevator to the first floor the doors of the elevator--the front doors of the elevator rather were open, but the back door was not? Mr. McKINZIE. That back was not. Mr. HUBERT. And the elevator, any time you left it, was cut off so that it couldn’t be operated? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. It had a key, isn’t that correct? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And without turning the elevator on with the key, it couldn’t move? Mr. McKINZIE. Couldn’t move. Mr. HUBERT. You had the key in your possession? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. So, the elevator didn’t move unless you knew about it? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Did you let any porters out after you had been told not to move the elevator? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; I didn’t. Mr. HUBERT. Out the back door? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. And the back door, by the way, was closed?