Mr. HUBERT. Now, on the 24th, which was on a Sunday, the Sunday after President Kennedy was killed, were you on duty that day? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; I was. Mr. HUBERT. What time did you come on duty? Mr. McKINZIE. 7 o’clock, Sunday morning. Mr. HUBERT. What time did you leave? Mr. McKINZIE. 3 in the afternoon. Mr. HUBERT. Now, what was your particular duty that day? Mr. McKINZIE. I was running the freight elevator. Mr. HUBERT. Did you operate the elevator all day? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave it at any time? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. When? Mr. McKINZIE. Around 10 o’clock is when I got orders to carry it to the first floor and cut it off and not bring any passengers down to the basement until I got further permission from the police department, and I was off of it then, I was still on the first floor, I just wasn’t operating it. Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave the elevator itself? Mr. McKINZIE. Sir? Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave the elevator itself and walk some place else? Mr. McKINZIE. Just down the hallway. Mr. HUBERT. Were the doors of the elevator open then? Mr. McKINZIE. It was open, but it was cut off. I had it automatic, and I had it cut off with the key. Couldn’t nobody---- Mr. HUBERT. Now, that really has two doors in it, doesn’t it? Mr. McKINZIE. Back and front. Mr. HUBERT. That is the front one, I suppose, you designate as the one that opens up into the municipal building? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And the back one is the one that opens up into a little hallway that leads to an alleyway? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; that’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Does that back door of the elevator also open on other floors? Mr. McKINZIE. On the second floor of the building. Mr. HUBERT. Now, when you left the elevator what was the position of both doors? Mr. McKINZIE. Front was open facing the municipal building. The back was closed. Mr. HUBERT. It never was open at all? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; never was open. Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall whether the back of the elevator was open any time during the morning of November 24th, until the shooting? Mr. McKINZIE. I am sure that I wouldn’t be making no mistake if I said it was open several times, because we had some porters down there working that brings trash from the jail department, and I always let them out that door, and they go out the back, and that is where they keep all their trash and the garbage and so forth, and I imagine about 8 or 8:30, that they were open, because that is about the time they carries the trash and stuff out. Mr. HUBERT. So that the back---- Mr. McKINZIE. There would be one porter probably went out maybe one or two trips. Mr. HUBERT. How would he get out through that back door leading onto the alleyway? Is that an open door? Mr. McKINZIE. It is locked. Mr. HUBERT. Who has the key?