Mr. PIERCE. Almost exactly 3 o’clock, 5 or 6 or 8 minutes, probably, after 3, because after 3 o’clock I was no more on duty, as far duty, which is 3 o’clock, and as far as my actual building, I wanted to look around and see what was taking place, so, probably 7 or 8 minutes after 3 when I actually drove out of the basement area. Mr. HUBERT. What were your duties, functions and responsibilities in your position on that day while you were on duty with respect to both buildings, to wit, the municipal building and the police building? Mr. PIERCE. You covered a lot of ground there. To actually be one-half percent accurate, I would nearly need the civil service breakdown of that job responsibility, because you covered all of it. Well, for all practical purposes, the operation of the city hall and its maintenance is a 24-hour a day operation. Consequently, we have three shifts--and they have to use some of the personnel, too, as building engineers, see. If they want one of us they page the building engineer. Actually, we aren’t the building engineers. We are merely responsible for the building maintenance and operation of the two buildings, which are joined together on a 24-hour a day basis. Mr. HUBERT. So, that on November 24---- Mr. PIERCE. I reported for my---- Mr. HUBERT. You were the man in charge of maintenance and operation of both buildings on the shifts from 7 until 3 that afternoon? Mr. PIERCE. And I was the only one there. That responsibility is handled by what is called our building operator because of air-conditioning equipment that must be maintained and operated for both buildings, and we are equipment operators, and in building maintenance--also called--that’s a step above building maintenance six, technically speaking. Mr. HUBERT. Now, those two buildings actually join together---- Mr. PIERCE. Right. Mr. HUBERT. They join, as I understand it, in several ways, and I would like you to explain first of all how a person who is--was on the first floor of the municipal building could get to the other building, the police building? Mr. PIERCE. On the first floor of the municipal building? Mr. HUBERT. Right. How could he get through under normal circumstances? Mr. PIERCE. To the first floor of the police and courts building? Mr. HUBERT. Or to any part of the police building? Mr. PIERCE. Police department. Very well, sir; simplest way would be to take the first floor corridor of the municipal building which goes immediately to the police and courts building. On the weekends, however, on this particular day; that is on the normal operation any day of the week they are connected and open, and on the weekends, or after regular municipal building hours in every night there is an expansion type steel gate closes that municipal building off, the corridor. Mr. HUBERT. Does it lock? Mr. PIERCE. From the--it remains locked. Mr. HUBERT. But was it locked that day? Mr. PIERCE. It was locked. Mr. HUBERT. Did you test it yourself?