Mr. PIERCE. Possibly I did. Mr. HUBERT. Could anyone open it but yourself? Mr. PIERCE. I don’t have the only key. Mr. HUBERT. Did you see that door open? Mr. PIERCE. To my knowledge, that door was never open the entire day. Mr. HUBERT. And you did test it to see that it was locked? Mr. PIERCE. It was locked. Mr. HUBERT. Did you test it prior to the shooting? Mr. PIERCE. Not prior to the shooting. Mr. HUBERT. You---- Mr. PIERCE. I saw that the gate was across the corridor, as it should be. I was on the first floor, a matter of walking about as far as from here, a little further to the wall, and I didn’t walk up to it prior to the shooting to see that it was locked, but it was in place and latched. Mr. HUBERT. Could have been open? Mr. PIERCE. It was locked. That lock--when that latch was engaged, it was in place, latched. Mr. HUBERT. From what you could see of it, then--although you didn’t come up to it, but came to within a distance, which I suggest to you now from the reference you made a moment ago was about 40 feet, 30 feet? Mr. PIERCE. 60 foot, probably. Mr. HUBERT. You came to within 60 feet of it, and you saw that the latch was in? Mr. PIERCE. In place and latched, and in that position the door is locked. Mr. HUBERT. It is locked and you would need a key to open it? Mr. PIERCE. That is my sworn statement. Mr. HUBERT. Right. And you did not open it? Mr. PIERCE. I never saw it open at any time. Mr. HUBERT. And you did not open it yourself? Mr. PIERCE. No; but like I say; I checked it, but it was after we knew that everything had happened, and all of sudden, security got to be of such an utmost importance, or the urgency of security was such that I pulled on it to see if it was, but when you said, “prior to,”--prior to that time, I hadn’t, but I do know it was latched at that time. Was actually locked when I checked it manually to see if for some peculiar reason the latch was open. Mr. HUBERT. What you are saying, in effect, is that while you actually tugged on the door after the shooting and found it to be locked, that your check of it prior to the shooting was visual, but that in your opinion it was in a position that it was locked? Mr. PIERCE. It is impossible for it not to have been locked. Mr. HUBERT. It is impossible for it not to have been locked, and that was--that check was made prior to the shooting? Mr. PIERCE. Prior. Mr. HUBERT. How much prior? Do you know?