Mr. PIERCE. I was fixing to say that I would be willing, even though I am under oath here, to swear to tell the truth, that there was no one there, because those personnel we have mentioned here, Riggs and Fuqua, at the time we were forced to leave, and came up, you know, I mentioned he remained in the basement momentarily there until it was evident that he also would have to leave. Then he and Harold went to the--because of the availability there of a television set, went to the police locker room lounge. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, do you know that of your own knowledge? Mr. PIERCE. I do know that. Mr. HUBERT. Or have you been told? Mr. PIERCE. Well, as a matter of security I mentioned it, because after they got to that position then they couldn’t even come back and were required to stay there. Mr. HUBERT. But, you know that only because other people told you that? Mr. PIERCE. That is where they were required to stay. That is where they spent the remainder of their time, because they could not come back and rejoin us. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know how they left that building to get to the police recreation room? Mr. PIERCE. From the elevator area here--let’s see; no, I don’t know if they walked directly across to a stairway there, another stairway that goes to the police locker lounge other than the stairway we are speaking of, comes from Commerce Street down to the subbasement itself, and in the building. A stairway which policemen use all the time to go down to the lockers. Mr. HUBERT. You mean from the municipal building? Mr. PIERCE. No; from the garage area. Mr. HUBERT. From the garage area, right. Mr. PIERCE. But, from the municipal building that is not so. From being required to stay there and unable to even leave there, even now, like I said, I can’t possibly state there was no one else there, but I do know they weren’t in this area, because they were supposed to be--stay where they were and---- Mr. HUBERT. Do you know how they got out of the municipal building that they were in with you to get to the police room, from your own knowledge? Not what somebody else told you, but from your own knowledge?