Mr. HUBERT. Am I right in saying then that from the municipal floor, first floor of the municipal building---- Mr. SERVANCE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. You cannot go into the staircase? Mr. SERVANCE. Not during the weekend. They keep it locked, or either at night. Mr. HUBERT. Always locked? Mr. SERVANCE. Always locked, but you can always come out of there. Mr. HUBERT. Yes; in other words, if you are in the staircase itself, you can come out? Mr. SERVANCE. Come out, that’s right. Mr. HUBERT. But, a man on the first floor of the municipal building can’t go from the first floor to the basement by use of that staircase, can he? Mr. SERVANCE. Yes; inside he can. Mr. HUBERT. No; once they get inside the staircase, yes, but suppose he is standing on--in the lobby on the first floor, can he get through those fire escape doors and get into the staircase and then go down and out into the basement? Mr. SERVANCE. Well, now, let me kind of clear this. You see, you have three sets of those. You have two in the building, and one that comes on the outside on the Commerce Street side. Is that the one you are speaking of? Mr. HUBERT. No; I am thinking of the one in the main lobby. Mr. SERVANCE. Well, in the main lobby, if you are in the main lobby you can through the door, go in the door, down from the staircase, on down in the basement and go out, but you couldn’t come in. Mr. HUBERT. Well, let me put it to you---- Mr. SERVANCE. Yes; you can come in. You can go out or come in. See, those doors are not locked up there. Mr. HUBERT. That’s what I thought. You said that door is locked on weekends, but you wish to correct that now? Mr. SERVANCE. Yes, sir; here’s what I was speaking of, now, when you get in the basement, when you go down to the basement those doors are locked as far as coming in. Mr. HUBERT. From the basement? Mr. SERVANCE. From the basement, that’s right. In other words, if you are in the basement you cannot use that fire escape door to get into that staircase; that’s right, sir. Mr. HUBERT. But, if you are in the staircase you can get into the basement. Now, the doors to the main floor of the municipal building leading to the staircase that we are talking about, are not closed, they are not locked, are they? Mr. SERVANCE. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Now, I think a little earlier you testified that they were locked and the only way you can use them would be coming from the staircase into the first floor of the municipal building, and I want to get it straight as to whether or not you can use the opposite direction or, go from the first floor of the municipal building into the staircase---- Mr. SERVANCE. Wait a minute. Now, let’s see here--try to correct it best I can. Let’s say I am out there in that corridor there, and we’ll say--we’ll just assume that that is the corridor there in the city hall. Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Mr. SERVANCE. All right. Mr. HUBERT. All right, now----