Mr. HUBERT. He definitely indicated to you that he would have to dress, is that correct? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. He said, “It will take me about 20 or 30 minutes to get dressed, and then I will go on down.” And something that he had to do with the dogs’ freedom, I think. Mr. JACKSON. About the dogs? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. He had some dogs. Kept them in the club. Mr. HUBERT. Now when did you first hear about Oswald’s shooting? Mrs. CARLIN. Well, I heard that right after I talked to Jack. It wasn’t very long after that on the television, and my husband was watching the television and I was washing dishes, and my husband said, “Karen, isn’t that Jack?” And I said, I thought he was joking. I told him to shut up and I started laughing, and sure enough it came out that it was Jack. Mr. HUBERT. You mean you saw pictures of Jack Ruby? Mrs. CARLIN. After that on the news. Mr. HUBERT. Rerun, you mean? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. You are talking about that famous picture that shows Jack coming through? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. It shows really the back of him, doesn’t it? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Were you able to recognize him? Mrs. CARLIN. They knew his name. They had already broadcast his name. Mr. HUBERT. So that when you saw, you recognized him? You mean you recognized his name before you saw any picture? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. My husband was the one that first saw him. I didn’t see it. It was a rerun, I think, that I saw, because they already had his name and that he had the Carousel Club. Mr. HUBERT. This was prior to the time you went to Western Union? Mrs. CARLIN. No; I had not gone down to Western Union. Mr. HUBERT. This was prior? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What did you do about the money at Western Union? Mrs. CARLIN. After I saw the thing on television, I said I bet Jack didn’t send the money, so my husband dialed the number and he asked if they had a money order for me, and they said, “Yes.” Mr. HUBERT. You mean dialed the number to the Western Union? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. And he said, “Yes, they did.” Then my husband and I got dressed and after we ate, we got dressed and went down and picked it up. Mr. HUBERT. Well---- Mr. JACKSON. About what time was this call made, do you remember? Mrs. CARLIN. No. Mr. JACKSON. Could it have been in the afternoon? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. It probably was in the afternoon, because after I talked to Jack, we ate and washed dishes, and I cleaned up the house, and it took me a while to get dressed. Mr. HUBERT. Then you all went down to Western Union? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. You signed the necessary papers? Mrs. CARLIN. We had to take a bus down, so that took quite a while, too. I don’t remember what time it was. Mr. HUBERT. Was the money paid to the landlord, do you know? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes; we paid the rent. Mr. HUBERT. That same day? Mrs. CARLIN. I don’t remember if it was the same day or not. Mr. HUBERT. Well, did you keep the money, or did you give it to your husband?