Mrs. CARLIN. No; I don’t, because I never did talk to him but once, and that was just about then. He was there a lot of times at the door. He took all the cover charges after that. Either him or Ralph was taking cover charges. Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to be in authority? Mrs. CARLIN. No; he didn’t have authority. He thought he did, but he didn’t, because Ralph would tell him to do what was done. Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever seen him at the Carousel prior to the time that Oswald was shot? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Just two or three times. He was sitting down at a table next to the cashier, where the cash register was. He was sitting there with the guy that Joy Dale was going with. I don’t remember his name, but it was a young boy. Tommy something. Mr. HUBERT. That is the gray-haired man you saw sitting with a young man called Tommy? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Who was Joy Dale’s boy friend? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. They were supposed to get married. Mr. HUBERT. And you saw them, this gray-haired man and Tommy, several times together? Mrs. CARLIN. About two or three times, I would say. Mr. HUBERT. How long before the President’s death? Mrs. CARLIN. Oh, I don’t know. I never did pay that much attention to him. Mr. HUBERT. Were they always together, those two? Mrs. CARLIN. I wouldn’t say they were together. He just was sitting there. I don’t know whether they left together or nothing, whether they were friends or not. Mr. HUBERT. But they were sitting at the same table? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. You wouldn’t remember if the two or three times prior to the President’s death that you saw them together were consecutive nights or not, would you? Mrs. CARLIN. No; I never did pay that much attention to either one of them. Mr. HUBERT. Would you think those two or three times, whatever they were, that you saw Tommy and the gray-haired man together, would have been within a week prior to the President’s death? Mrs. CARLIN. I wouldn’t say, because I didn’t pay that much attention. Mr. HUBERT. But in any case, the gray-haired man that you have been referring to subsequently had really a job with the club? That is to say---- Mrs. CARLIN. No; not at that time, he wasn’t. Mr. HUBERT. I mean later. I said subsequently. Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. After Oswald was killed then this same gray-haired man had a job collecting the cover charges at the front door? Mrs. CARLIN. Whether he was paid for it or not, he was doing it. Mr. HUBERT. And he seemed to be, so far as you could tell, under the authority of Paul? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Ralph? Mrs. CARLIN. Ralph. Mr. HUBERT. Ralph Paul? Mrs. CARLIN. Well, I don’t know anything about Ralph. Mr. HUBERT. How old a man is Ralph? Are you feeling bad? Mrs. CARLIN. No. He is about 40 or 45, I would say. Mr. HUBERT. Ralph Paul is? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes; between 40 and 45. He is old. He is old to me. Mr. JACKSON. I think that is the age of the interrogator.