Mrs. CARLIN. I am sorry, but he is old to me. Gray-haired and being so fat. Mr. JACKSON. The closer you get to it, the younger it is. Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen Ruby since Oswald was shot? Mrs. CARLIN. Only in court. Mr. HUBERT. You testified in court? Mrs. CARLIN. Two; I went to two different court hearings. Mr. HUBERT. Did you testify twice or once? Mrs. CARLIN. Twice. Mr. HUBERT. Was the first one on the insanity hearing, I suppose? Mrs. CARLIN. I don’t know what the hearing was on. I think it was on the bond hearing. He was trying to get out on bond. Mr. HUBERT. Did you testify at his actual trial in the latter part of February and the first part of March? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell us what was the general nature of your testimony there? Mrs. CARLIN. The same thing that has been asked here. Mr. HUBERT. Had you been interviewed by Mr. Belli prior? Mrs. CARLIN. No; the only time I talked to Belli was on the bond hearing. Mr. HUBERT. But you haven’t talked to Jack Ruby since you talked to him on the phone on Sunday the 24th? Mrs. CARLIN. I can’t say the last time I talked to him. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Billy DeMar? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. He was one of the Emcee’s there? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Of course, you have heard the rumors that he is supposed to have said that he had seen Oswald in the club prior to the shooting of the President? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did you see pictures of Oswald afterward? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever see anybody who looked like that man in the Carousel? Mrs. CARLIN. Well, just like I told the FBI, I have seen someone that looked like him. Whether it was him or whether I have seen him, he could favor anybody, you know. I have seen the face, something that looked, someone that looked like him, and I am not going to say it was in the club or where it was at, but I have seen someone that looked like him. Mr. HUBERT. Of course, you didn’t know Lee Harvey Oswald? Mrs. CARLIN. No. Mr. HUBERT. If you get tired, let me know, and we will stop. Let me ask you some concluding questions and we will take a little recess and I will gather my thoughts and see if we have anything more. Have you been interviewed by any member of the Commission’s staff prior to today? Mrs. CARLIN. No. Mr. HUBERT. Mrs. Carlin, I have in my hand a document consisting of two pages which purport to be a copy of a report of an interview of you by Special FBI Agents Peggs and Zimmerman on November 26, 1963, which for the purpose of identification I am marking as follows: Fort Worth, Texas, April 15, 1964, Exhibit 5318, Deposition of Karen B. Carlin. Do you spell your name with a “K” or “C”? Mrs. CARLIN. K-a-r-e-n C-a-r-l-i-n. Mr. HUBERT. Your first name is spelled with a “K”, but your last name is spelled with a “C”? Mrs. CARLIN. Yes.