Mr. GRIFFIN. How many times did you actually talk with Jack Ruby? Mr. PATTERSON. I couldn’t pinpoint it to a certain number of times, but I can approximate. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you give us your best estimate? Mr. PATTERSON. You mean on the phone and in person? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. PATTERSON. About 15 times. Mr. GRIFFIN. How many of these times would have been in person? Mr. PATTERSON. Not 10 times. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were all the times that you met him in person at the Vegas Club? Mr. PATTERSON. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where have you seen him besides at the Vegas Club? Mr. PATTERSON. He came to my house one night to talk to my mother about me playing for him, and him taking over as my manager and promoting a record for me. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that? Mr. PATTERSON. Some time in the first of November, something like that. Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of record was he interested in promoting? Mr. PATTERSON. Just a rock ’n roll record that he wanted to promote for me. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you already cut the record? Mr. PATTERSON. I already record for another company and he said he had some connections with a better record company that he could, you know, he wanted me to record some new records. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who do you record for? Mr. PATTERSON. Future. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where is that office located? Mr. PATTERSON. Arkansas. Mr. GRIFFIN. Arkansas? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have to go up to Arkansas to cut the record? Mr. PATTERSON. No, we cut here. Mr. GRIFFIN. How many records have you cut for Future? Mr. PATTERSON. Two. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you talk with Jack about promoting a particular song? Mr. PATTERSON. Not a particular song. Mr. GRIFFIN. But about promoting you? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did Jack say to you and what did you say to him? Mr. PATTERSON. He said he had connections with Reprise. Mr. GRIFFIN. R-e-p-r-i-s-e? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. It is pronounced Reprise, with which Frank Sinatra has something to do with, and never did say what Frank Sinatra had to do with it, but he said he knew some people in this line that he would have no trouble getting a record promoted and distributed nationally. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was your response? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, I told him if he could get this done, fine, I would consider recording for him. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he make an effort to have that recording done? Mr. PATTERSON. No. He was trying to get me to play in the Vegas. Mr. GRIFFIN. In the Vegas or the Carousel? Mr. PATTERSON. In the Vegas. And I never did think too much about the recording, you know. Mr. GRIFFIN. At the time he talked to you about the recording, had you ever played at the Vegas? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, what do you mean he was trying to get you to play there? Mr. PATTERSON. The band he had was leaving, quitting, had quit already, I would say, and they had been there a long time, for a number of years, and they quit. And he wanted my band to start playing there.