Mr. PATTERSON. He introduced me to a guy that was entertaining at the Carousel, Billy DeMar. I think that is the last name. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was anybody else with him that night? Mr. PATTERSON. A little short guy. I don’t know his name. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he a Negro boy or a white one? Mr. PATTERSON. I think he was just—he was an old man. Mr. GRIFFIN. About how old a man would you say he was? Mr. PATTERSON. I would say he was in his late forties. Mr. GRIFFIN. How tall was he? Mr. PATTERSON. About my size, about 5’2”. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his build, heavy, medium or thin man? Mr. PATTERSON. For his size, he was kind of fat. Stomach went like that [indicating]. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he balding, or did he have all of his hair? Mr. PATTERSON. I think he was balding. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember if he wore glasses? Mr. PATTERSON. I don’t remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he appear to be a business associate of Jack Ruby’s? Mr. PATTERSON. I couldn’t tell. I didn’t ride in the same car with him or nothing. I just saw him with him. Mr. GRIFFIN. This other fellow didn’t do any of the talking? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, we were talking about promoting the record and he said, “Jack will put you over, don’t worry.” He says, “If he likes you, he likes you, and if he don’t like you, he don’t like you.” I remember him saying that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see this man again? Mr. PATTERSON. No, I never did. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever meet any other people with Jack? Mr. PATTERSON. His roommate, George. I don’t remember his last name. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you meet George? Mr. PATTERSON. At their apartment. Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to go up to Jack’s apartment? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, it was the same night that he came over to SMU to listen at us, and he said, “What are you fixing to do?” I said, “I am going home.” It was on a Sunday after we got through playing and he said, “Why don’t you come by and let’s discuss, you know, the pay that I would pay you and the hours and so forth.” So he didn’t live too far from my house, and we stopped by there. Mr. GRIFFIN. You and your trumpet player? Mr. PATTERSON. No, just me. Mr. GRIFFIN. And Jack—was Senator with Jack at SMU? Mr. PATTERSON. Who? Mr. GRIFFIN. Was George, was he with Jack? Mr. PATTERSON. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. At SMU? Mr. PATTERSON. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. So when you got to Jack’s apartment, the roommate was there, George? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was anybody else there? Mr. PATTERSON. The dog, and another woman and a man came in. I had seen her over to the club working. I guess she was related to him in some way. Mr. GRIFFIN. You had seen her at the Vegas Club? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would it have been Mrs. Grant? Mr. PATTERSON. I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. What time of the night did this man and woman come in? Mr. PATTERSON. I guess it was around 8 o’clock. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did you remain at the apartment that night? Mr. PATTERSON. About 20 minutes.