Mr. PAUL. In the last year I think it made some money, but he was so much in the hole that he had to pay everybody else. When he was arrested—now, mind you, when he was arrested—you wouldn’t think that an electric company—you could owe them that much money, but there was $175 or $180 a month, and he owed them over $600. Mr. HUBERT. The electric company? Mr. PAUL. Yes; the electric company—Dallas Electric Lights, and the telephone company—$153. He kept on owing everybody money. Mr. HUBERT. Well, in any case, you didn’t get any payments of money from him? Mr. PAUL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. For your share of what any profits might have been or dividends or interest or repayment of loan or in any way at all; is that correct? Mr. PAUL. That’s correct. Mr. HUBERT. Now, you say that you gave the 500 shares that you held up until February 14 of this year to Eva Grant? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Would you tell us why you did that? Mr. PAUL. Well, for one reason, I couldn’t run the club; I tried to run it, but I couldn’t run it. I lost about $3,000 in the time I run it from the 25th of November until the 14th of February. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever find out who owned the other 500 shares? Mr. PAUL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Was it Jack? Mr. PAUL. I don’t know; I was never interested to know all the other facts, because I never figured to get any money out of the place anyway. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Earl Ruby? Mr. PAUL. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. That’s Jack’s brother? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Had you ever met him prior to November 24 or November 25? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Where? Mr. PAUL. In Dallas. Mr. HUBERT. Did he come here often? Mr. PAUL. No, sir; I think I met him twice or three times. Mr. HUBERT. In your whole life, until the 25th? Mr. PAUL. Until the 25th, yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did he have any interest in the Carousel? Mr. PAUL. I couldn’t tell you. Mr. HUBERT. Does he claim any? Mr. PAUL. I still don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know his brother Hyman? Mr. PAUL. Yes; I met him one time. Mr. HUBERT. Just one time? Mr. PAUL. The Friday before the assassination. Mr. HUBERT. Before the murder? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. You never met him before? Mr. PAUL. No. Mr. HUBERT. What about his sister, Eileen? Mr. PAUL. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. You don’t know her at all? Mr. PAUL. I never heard of her. Mr. HUBERT. And I think he has another sister called Mrs. Anna Volpert. Mr. PAUL. No; I don’t know her, either. Mr. HUBERT. You never met any of the other brothers and sisters? Mr. PAUL. Yes; Sam and his wife, and Eva and Earl, and that’s all. Mr. HUBERT. And then Hyman? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Sam, of course, you have seen more often than any of them? Mr. PAUL. Oh, yes; Sam—well, we were partners for about 3 or 4 months. Mr. HUBERT. Yes; but you had no other business relations after that. Mr. PAUL. No.