Mr. PAUL. No, sir; I never did. Mr. HUBERT. The only time you have ever seen him carry his gun was when he carried it in a bag? Mr. PAUL. In the bag. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Gruber that lives out in California? Mr. PAUL. Gruber? Mr. HUBERT. Gruber [spelling] G-r-u-b-e-r. Mr. PAUL. That name doesn’t sound familiar to me. I’ll tell you, Jack had a million friends that I would never remember their names anyway. He used to introduce me and the name just flew by. Mr. HUBERT. What about this boy Larry Crafard or Curtis Laverne Crafard, as he was called—do you know anything about him, that young man that was around the club for the last month or so? Mr. PAUL. I think he was cleaning up the place every day and used to sleep there. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever talk to him? Mr. PAUL. Jack brought up so many—no; I never did talk to him, but I never talked to those people myself that Jack used to pick up in the street and bring them up to work and do something, and in a couple of weeks they disappeared. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, it was not a peculiar thing at all for Jack to bring in someone? Mr. PAUL. Take them home to sleep—a man that hasn’t got a place to live. I used to say to Jack, “Suppose he robs you?” He says, “So, he robs me.” Mr. HUBERT. Do you know a man by the name of Louis McWillie? Mr. PAUL. McWillie? I knew him a long time ago. I think he is in—not Vegas—what is the other place? Mr. HUBERT. Vegas is right. Mr. PAUL. Vegas—is he? Mr. HUBERT. Tell me what you know about him, was he ever in Dallas? Mr. PAUL. Yes; sure, he was in Dallas a long time. Mr. HUBERT. What was his business when he was here? Mr. PAUL. When he come—he used to go to golf places and bet on golf. Mr. HUBERT. You are talking about golf tournaments and golf games? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. As a matter of fact, wasn’t he a gambler in general—all sorts of gambling? Mr. PAUL. I think so—I never had any dealings with him either. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of Ruby’s dealings with him? Mr. PAUL. No. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, do you know that sometime in 1959, probably around September or Labor Day, Jack went down to Havana, Cuba? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And stayed with McWillie? Mr. PAUL. Well, McWillie sent him the carfare—McWillie was running the gambling house down there for the—I don’t know what it was—Batista or some of their people—somebody else down there. Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what you know and how you found out about it? Mr. PAUL. Well, Jack told me. Mr. HUBERT. What did he tell you? Mr. PAUL. He told me he sent him money to come down there for a vacation. Mr. HUBERT. Was Jack supposed to work or was it just a vacation? Mr. PAUL. Just a vacation. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any reason why, or did Jack tell you any reason why, McWillie would be interested in financing a vacation for Jack?