Mr. PAUL. I don’t know, but I think Jack was a close friend of his. Actually, he thought the whole world was built around McWillie. Actually—and I never could see it, and I never used to go out with him when McWillie was around. Mr. HUBERT. You disliked McWillie? Mr. PAUL. No: but I didn’t care too much for his personality. Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever express yourself in that way to Ruby? Mr. PAUL. Yes; I did. Mr. HUBERT. What was his answer? Mr. PAUL. Well, he told me—that he thinks he is a great guy—Jack says. Well, actually, I for one never meet too many friends with Jack, and Jack made everybody a friend and I haven’t got too many friends. I just work to make a living. I’m not interested in a whole lot of other things. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, what you are saying is that Jack was a man who made a lot of friends? Mr. PAUL. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And you were one of his friends? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And you had fewer friends than he did? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. But you considered yourself one of his best friends? Mr. PAUL. Yes—Jack’s best friend. Mr. HUBERT. Both ways? Mr. PAUL. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember how long he stayed in Havana? Mr. PAUL. A week or 10 days. Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall whether he went to Miami at that time or New Orleans? Mr. PAUL. I think he stopped in Miami and went from Miami to Cuba and he came back to Miami. I think he had to do that anyway—it wasn’t a straight flight. Mr. HUBERT. But I take it that you are assuming that it was not—what I wanted to get at was whether Jack had ever told you—that’s the way you would know. Mr. PAUL. I’m telling you that he did. Mr. HUBERT. That he told you that he went from here to Miami? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And from Miami down to Havana? Mr. PAUL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And on the route back, he came back through Miami? Mr. PAUL. Yes; I think that’s what he told me. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any other trips that he has taken? Mr. PAUL. The only time when I was at the Vegas Club, he went to—what are those Springs over there—Hot Springs—I think 2 weekends in a row. Mr. HUBERT. Do you know of any other travels that he might have made? Mr. PAUL. He went to New York. Mr. HUBERT. When? Mr. PAUL. Last year to see the AGVA president. Mr. HUBERT. That was in regard to the trouble he was having with the Weinsteins? Mr. PAUL. That is correct. Mr. HUBERT. I think that was in August, was it not? Mr. PAUL. No; it was earlier than August, I think. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know of his trip to New Orleans last year? Mr. PAUL. Yes—he went to—somebody told him about this strip down there. Mr. HUBERT. Bourbon Street? Mr. PAUL. Bourbon Street and he went down to catch her act. Mr. HUBERT. He went for what purpose? Mr. PAUL. To catch her act—to catch the girl’s act, so he could book her. Mr. HUBERT. He wanted to look at the girl’s act to see if he could get any talent to come up here?