Mr. SENATOR. With Smoler Brothers? Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Mr. SENATOR. As I say, they weren’t happy with me and I wasn’t happy with them. First of all, I’ll tell you they had cut down the territory and they were unhappy with the type business I was doing. So, this was a volume house, and the type operation was, I don’t know if I classify, if I tell you $3.75 a dress, I don’t know if it means anything to you or not, but at this price range, at the wholesale price range, you have got to do a volume business to make any money. And through this they weren’t happy. And I wasn’t happy because they had cut my territory down so, so we parted good friends. I wasn’t making any money anyhow over that. Mr. HUBERT. Had you had times with Smoler’s when you had done considerably better? Mr. SENATOR. There were times that I did better. I don’t say that I did a fantastic job with them, but I have done a little better than that. Mr. HUBERT. Had you been able to make any savings to carry you forward? You see, that is what I want to get at. We find when you left Smoler’s, you go to Rhea’s—— Mr. SENATOR. Excuse me, before I went to Rhea I had other odd jobs you know that were nothing to speak of. Mr. HUBERT. Here is what I want to get at. Here is a period of 2½ years, you had to have some money to live on or people gave you money or something of that sort. Now tell us about that. Mr. SENATOR. I lived on handouts. Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about it. Mr. SENATOR. I lived on handouts. When I mentioned these boys here and I was living on handouts with them. In other words, I used to cook for them and wash dishes and things of that nature. I was really depressed, extremely depressed and down and out, and they slipped me five, three, two, whatever it was, and I helped them along in the house there and they kept me for a while. Mr. HUBERT. You did not pay any part of the rent? Mr. SENATOR. No. Mr. HUBERT. And that is true for that whole 2½-year period? Mr. SENATOR. It wasn’t two and a half. I would say it was approximately a year and a half, to my knowledge. I don’t think it was 2½ years. Mr. GRIFFIN. You went from Smoler Brothers to Rhea directly? Mr. SENATOR. No, no; I say I had the odd jobs directly. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how much time was there between Smoler Brothers and Rhea? Mr. SENATOR. I don’t think there was much time between them. Mr. GRIFFIN. What would you say, 3 months? Mr. SENATOR. It’s hard for me to really guess. I’d have to make such a fantastic guess I wouldn’t know if I was right or wrong. Mr. GRIFFIN. This was not too long ago. This was back in 1957. Mr. SENATOR. Yes, if I told you 3 months I don’t know how close I’d be and if I told you 6 months I don’t know how far I’d be. Mr. GRIFFIN. You say you had odd jobs. Can you be more specific? Mr. SENATOR. Yes, I was with another dress house for a short while, which didn’t last too long. Mr. GRIFFIN. Doing the same kind of work? Mr. SENATOR. Yes, doing the same kind of work.