Mr. HUBERT. So when he carried a gun on his person where would he keep it? Mr. SENATOR. It would be in his pants pocket or sometimes it may be in the bag. Mr. HUBERT. Did you know anything, from talking to him or otherwise, about the ownership of the Vegas Club? Who owned the Vegas, in other words, as far as you know? Mr. SENATOR. As far as I know Jack Ruby owned it. Mr. HUBERT. Am I correct in assuming that your opinion on that point is from what he told you, or did he say anything else? Mr. SENATOR. I always understood that he owned it, I mean as far as I know. Of course, there is a lot of things that I don’t know that he never told me, you know. He doesn’t expose everything. Mr. HUBERT. Eva Grant was actually the operator of it, wasn’t she? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; but Eva always felt like she was the owner. This is a sister. Of course, she had it and managed it for quite a while. I don’t know how long she managed it, has been at the Vegas Club, because it was before me even, you know. Mr. HUBERT. On what do you base that opinion that she thought that she really was the owner? Mr. SENATOR. Because I assumed that Jack was a brother and she felt it was like hers. Mr. HUBERT. You see what I am trying to get at is whether or not there are any statements or incidents that occurred which led you to the opinion that she thought she owned the Vegas. Do you see what I mean? Mr. SENATOR. The only way I could express that is Jack used to say to me that “Eva thinks she owns the club,” because she has been staying there so long. Mr. HUBERT. How do they get along? Mr. SENATOR. They are both of the same nature, like cats and dogs. Mr. HUBERT. I take it from that you mean they used to fight a lot. Mr. SENATOR. Yes; because as well as Jack would holler, let me assure you she can holler too. Mr. HUBERT. And you have been a witness to some of those instances? Mr. SENATOR. As a matter of fact, the further away the better. Mr. HUBERT. I don’t quite understand. Mr. SENATOR. For me the further away the better. In other words, I shied away from all that. I didn’t want to listen to that kind of stuff. Mr. HUBERT. What you are saying is—— Mr. SENATOR. I am not happy over the fights. Mr. HUBERT. My question is how frequently it happened. Mr. SENATOR. How frequent I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. But you were a witness to some, I take it, and when it began you would want to get away, is that the idea? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; I tell you where I heard most of it, I mean what I can recollect is when around the telephone. Of course, I can’t hear her, but I can hear him shouting, so apparently I know there is something that is flickering. He is hollering at her about something, or she is hollering at him about something. See, she is hard to get along with, with the employees of the Vegas Club. She is just hard to work for. All I know is I never want to work for her.