Mr. HUBERT. What about the ownership of the Sovereign and the Carousel? Do you know anything about that, who owned that? Mr. SENATOR. The Sovereign, he has some partner. I don’t remember who his partner was. Of course, this is all before I got that close, but he had a partner in the Sovereign Club. Mr. HUBERT. Joe Slayton was it? Mr. SENATOR. That is it, Joe Slayton. Mr. HUBERT. Of course, Slayton ultimately got out of it, didn’t he? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Is it your impression that Jack owned the Sovereign entirely? Mr. SENATOR. No; Joe Slayton was a part owner. Mr. HUBERT. I mean after Slayton left. Mr. SENATOR. I don’t know about that. That is a little before me. Mr. HUBERT. What about Ralph Paul? Did he have any part in it? Mr. SENATOR. Ralph Paul had a part in it. I don’t know what the breakdown was, but I know Ralph Paul was connected with it. Mr. HUBERT. Connected by way of ownership? Mr. SENATOR. I believe he was connected by ownership. I mean if he owned half or what it was I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. On what facts do you base that? Mr. SENATOR. On guesswork. I know he had something to do with it. What part he owned I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. What facts make you state that you know he had something to do with it? There must be something that occurred again. Mr. SENATOR. Nothing occurred because I mean I have seen Ralph, I know Ralph, and I know there is the association of him having a part of that club somehow. Mr. HUBERT. Let me put it to you this way. Did Jack ever tell you that Ralph Paul owned part of it? Mr. SENATOR. Not directly, but I knew. You know as well as I know Jack, there was an awful lot of things he didn’t tell me circularwise. You can say moneywise where he kept his money, if he had a bank account, I know he had a connection with Ralph Paul. How much Ralph owned I don’t know. Mr. HUBERT. Did Paul ever tell you anything about his interest or ownership? Mr. SENATOR. Yes; the first time he mentioned it to me, and, of course, this is after this whole deal happened. Mr. HUBERT. The shooting? Mr. SENATOR. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What did he tell you? Mr. SENATOR. He said once that he had a part of that place there. He was part owner of that place. Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember when he told you that, and where? Mr. SENATOR. He told me at the Carousel, but I don’t remember when. I mean I can’t specifically remember. Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t it a fact that he took over the management right away, as soon as Jack was in jail? Mr. SENATOR. Yes, he did. Now, I don’t know how much he owned or how much Jack owned. Mr. HUBERT. Did he indicate to you that it was an ownership interest? Mr. SENATOR. Yes, there was, but how much I don’t know. In other words, I don’t know who owned the bigger piece or if it was equal. Mr. HUBERT. Do you think that only the two of them had an interest in it? Mr. SENATOR. To my knowledge. I don’t know of anybody else.