Mr. GRIFFIN. When Jack arrived, did you go out into the outer part of the club to talk with Jack, or did you remain in the office? Mr. CRAFARD. We went out by the front door. Mr. GRIFFIN. Why was that? Mr. CRAFARD. More room for all of us to sit down who was in the office. Mr. GRIFFIN. Could you watch television from the front door? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you keep abreast of the news while you were out there by the front door? Mr. CRAFARD. Andy had his transistor radio on. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long would you say it was between the time that you and Andy sat there and watched television before Jack came in? Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t really say. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there a clock in Jack’s office? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall ever looking at that clock while you were watching television? Mr. CRAFARD. No; the clock wasn’t—It was one you had to wind, and it wasn’t wound half the time. We didn’t pay any attention to it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you ordinarily wear a watch? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I didn’t, there. Mr. GRIFFIN. In the period before Jack Ruby came in, did you get a meal of any sort, any food? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you and Andy discuss the events on television as you sat and watched it? Mr. CRAFARD. I imagine we did. I don’t recall saying anything. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did anybody come into the club before Jack arrived? Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I can recall. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall any of the female employees of the club arriving at the club on the day, on the 22d? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you think specifically about Tammi True, do you recall if she came? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you say you don’t recall, that is not the same as saying that she didn’t come in? Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. Mr. GRIFFIN. I take it that you would not make the statement, or would you, that she didn’t come in? Mr. CRAFARD. I would not make that statement. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about as to any of the other girls—Joy Dale, for example? Mr. CRAFARD. I wouldn’t make the statement of the fact that none of them came into the club. I would say it was possible that any of them came into the club, but I don’t remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, if any of them had stayed for any length of time, 5, 10 minutes, or more, do you think you would have remembered it? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And you don’t recall anybody coming in and staying as long as 10 minutes? Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. When Jack came in and you people sat out at the front of the club, how far were you seated from the telephones? Mr. CRAFARD. We was right beside the telephone. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that the one near the door? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. You would have been, then, about 10 feet away from the one at the bar? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you sat there with Jack, did you all sort of keep your ears glued to the radio, or was there a general conversation?