Mr. CRAFARD. We was talking. We had the radio up loud enough so we could hear, but we was talking. Mr. GRIFFIN. There was a continuous conversation, or were there long pauses in the conversation? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t recall. I don’t remember. We might have stopped, we might just sat there 10 or 15 minutes at a time; I don’t remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. How long did Jack stay there with you? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember. It seems to me he was there probably a couple of hours. Mr. GRIFFIN. You think Jack was there a couple of hours with you in the club? Mr. CRAFARD. He might have been; yes, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, while Jack was there, did you ever go back into his office and watch television? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe we did; yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any recollection of how long you remained with Jack in his office watching television? Mr. CRAFARD. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Or how long it was after he came in that you went into his office to watch television? Mr. CRAFARD. No. It seems to me like it wasn’t very long after he came before we went back into the office. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any recollection of talking with Jack about the dog that you were going to send to California? Mr. CRAFARD. Not on that day, no. Mr. GRIFFIN. If you had talked about that, would you remember it? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I would have, I am not sure. Mr. HUBERT. Certainly the knowledge that the suspected killer of the President of the United States had been in the Carousel where you worked would have come to you as a pretty heavy shock; isn’t that a fair statement? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. I suggest to you, then, that you can remember just when that shock hit you. Mr. CRAFARD. No; I can’t. Mr. HUBERT. Isn’t it a fact, Larry, that you can tell us whether it came from Armstrong definitely or that you just picked it up on one of these rides later on because, as I say, it had to hit you and you admitted it was a shock. Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall whether you were alone with the person who told it to you, or was anybody else present? Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember that, either, sir. Most of that day is very vague in my mind. Mr. HUBERT. What is your best guess—that Andy Armstrong told you? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; yes. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, if it had come from Andy Armstrong, it would have made more of an impression on you than if it had come from some person who had heard it as a rumor or over the radio, wouldn’t it? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Now, putting your mind to it in that way, can’t you help us a bit more as to who actually told you? Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I can’t. I have thought about it. I can’t recall exactly who it was or exactly where it was I heard it. I believe it was before I left Dallas. Mr. HUBERT. And if it was before you left Dallas, you already told us it had to be Armstrong? Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.