Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I went to work for the Lewis Ribbon Co. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember going back to work for a few months for Fishbein? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don’t remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Then I take it, you worked for the Lewis Ribbon Co., just simply tell me if this is correct, from early 1953 until you left them. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Ten years. Mr. GRIFFIN. In January of 1964. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Ten years. Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to leave them? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. They merged with the International Artware of Cleveland and they sold out. My territory was already absorbed by International’s men. In fact, they had three men in my three states and they had no room for me and felt rather bad about it because I am a rather conscientious worker, I like people, I don’t have trouble selling them legitimate merchandise and I liked the work and I was doing pretty good and they felt very bad. They promised me as soon as there was an opening they would let me know. So that is the story. Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to go back a few years more now. Was your childhood spent in Chicago? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And I take it you went to school in Chicago? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. How far did you go in school? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I had a couple of years of college. Mr. GRIFFIN. Of college. Where did you go to college? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. The YMCA Junior College. Mr. GRIFFIN. In Chicago? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. In Chicago, and the Lewis Institute. Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of courses did you take? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. General courses. I was studying prelaw. I wanted to become a lawyer. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you attend these institutions? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I would say around 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936. Mr. GRIFFIN. So you were working at the same time? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Working at the same time. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, going back to your earlier childhood, how many years of continuous formal education did you have until you left school the first time? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Well, I graduated high school. Mr. GRIFFIN. So you graduated from high school, and then what did you do after you graduated from high school? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I took whatever job I could to sustain myself and help out the family once in a while when I could. Mr. GRIFFIN. What year would it have been that you graduated from high school? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I graduated in February 1922 from Hyde Park High. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was your family living at that time? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. They were separated. The folks were living, my mother was living, with the children, I think on the west side, and I was living on the south side. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you living with any other members of your family? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long had you been separated from the family? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I left home when I was, right after I graduated grammar school, when I was about 15. That was in 1916, around 1916 or 1917. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you go to live? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I went to the Deborah Boys Club.