Mr. HUBERT. I was thinking on Friday after this conference thing. Mr. CRULL. I am sorry, I can’t be too accurate. I imagine I finally left the city hall and periodically I checked back with the police department either by telephone or actually by walking over there. I imagine it was about 7 o’clock before we left and went home. Mr. HUBERT. You think that in the interval before 7 o’clock, between that conference you just described and 7 o’clock, that you contacted the top officials of the police department either by walking over again or by telephone? Mr. CRULL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Was any further discussion had about the condition of the news media? Mr. CRULL. No; the only thing I was interested in most then, of course as everyone else, was the progress being made with Oswald making the case. I was pretty well snowed in my own office by telegrams, telephone calls, and things which had come in in great numbers. Mr. HUBERT. You say you went home about 7 o’clock? Mr. CRULL. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. Did you return to the municipal building or police department any more that night? Mr. CRULL. No. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any further communication with them the night of the 22d? Mr. CRULL. I have to keep this straight by days of the week. Mr. HUBERT. This is Friday the 22d. Mr. CRULL. This is the day of the President’s death? Mr. HUBERT. Yes. Mr. CRULL. No; before I left the police department the last time, they told me they thought the case was pretty well wrapped up, and that there would be no particular new developments, so after I left that night, I went home that night, and the following morning I went to the lake, Saturday morning. Mr. HUBERT. About what time did you go to the lake? Mr. CRULL. About 10 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. You did not then go back to the police department? Mr. CRULL. No. Mr. HUBERT. So that after 7 o’clock, on Friday, you didn’t have any occasion to observe the conditions in the city hall at all? Mr. CRULL. No; not till Sunday. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any communication with the police department after you got to the lake? Mr. CRULL. Not until Sunday morning. Mr. HUBERT. At what time did you have communication, and in what way on Sunday morning? Mr. CRULL. On Sunday morning, the specific time I can’t say. A member of the marina staff called me, and said that the radio said that Oswald had been shot. So I went to the marina office and used the telephone to call Dallas. I was calling from the marina, Lake Texoma, just out of Denison, Tex. I did call the office and I talked with Chief Stevenson, and he told me, his words were, “I guess you have heard that we have lost our prisoner.” Then he told me something of the details, although it was then confused. Mr. HUBERT. Was Oswald dead then, or did he tell you so? Mr. CRULL. They didn’t know at that time. I was talking to them at the police department, and Oswald had been moved to Parkland Hospital. Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what time it was?