Captain FRITZ. A lieutenant was standing there in uniform, and I asked him, and he told me that the security was OK. A detective also gave the same answer. Mr. HUBERT. That would be Captain Talbert? Captain FRITZ. No; it wasn’t Captain Talbert. I thought it was Captain Talbert at first but it was Lieutenant Wiggins from the jail office. Mr. HUBERT. You said there was another officer that you asked? Captain FRITZ. Two officers answered me. A detective answered with this lieutenant. Mr. HUBERT. The answer was that it was all right? Captain FRITZ. That it was all right. I presume they had been told it was all right, because of the way they answered. Mr. HUBERT. Did you have a conversation just prior to the move about the security? Captain FRITZ. With the chief; yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what he said and what you said about it? Captain FRITZ. Yes. As I told you, I told him--he asked me were we ready for the transfer. Chief Stevenson and several were there. And Mr. Holmes from the Postal Inspection Office; and I believe one of the Secret Service men; and one of the FBI officers; and several of my officers. And I told him we were ready to transfer him any time the security was ready in the basement, and he said everything is all right. Mr. HUBERT. Did he say he would check further, or he just told you? Captain FRITZ. He just told me. He didn’t tell me how he checked. Mr. HUBERT. But he didn’t go and check again? Captain FRITZ. I don’t know. I can’t answer that because he left my office. He told me that he and Chief Stevenson would meet me at the county jail. Mr. HUBERT. Who made the decision as to the actual moment of moving? Captain FRITZ. Of course, the chief asked me if we were ready. We got ready, because I had told him the night before we would try to be ready at 10 o’clock. Mr. HUBERT. So you gave the signal to go? Captain FRITZ. To these officers; yes. Mr. HUBERT. I think there was one officer ahead of you when you all went down in the elevator? Captain FRITZ. Lieutenant Swain went out ahead of me, and I was behind Lieutenant Swain, and then my officers and Oswald back of me, one officer on each side, and one behind him. Mr. HUBERT. Did that group come down from the third floor? Captain FRITZ. We all came down the inside jail elevator to the jail office, and through the jail office and around the back of the jail office. This brought the prisoner out of a side door that would put us near our car. Had we gone out of the other door, we would have had to go through a hallway. Mr. HUBERT. What was your concern about the news media being on the main ramp and not behind the rail? Captain FRITZ. Well, they interfered with our movement upstairs each time we took Oswald to and from the jail, they would holler at him and ask questions and say things to him that would have a tendency to, I thought, aggravate him. I think part of it he seemed to enjoy, and part of it he seemed to be irritated about.