Mr. FLEMING. No; it was Mr. Dietrich in an armored truck. We serviced the city hall and numerous places. Mr. HUBERT. But it wasn’t on this day? It was on a different occasion? Mr. FLEMING. No; at a time previous. Mr. HUBERT. Go ahead then. Mr. FLEMING. But I indicated that the small truck would not be satisfactory, having had a little experience in police work. I said we need the large truck, and suggested they look it over, clean it out, get bottles out of it, and so on. They indicated it would not start, and I suggested that we attempt to start it. Mr. Goin then got a battery and he and I, mostly he, got the thing connected, and we started the motor. In the meantime, I called Chief Batchelor and told him that we were at the terminal and we would be down shortly, and I used that term, because we had not yet got the truck started. I explained that there was no need to give me the dimensions because our truck would not go all the way down the ramp anyhow, but we would bring a large truck that would accommodate a larger force and would be down within, I said within 10 to 15 minutes, this would have taken. Mr. HUBERT. Did Batchelor indicate to you at that time which truck would be used? Mr. FLEMING. No; he did not indicate to me. We were telling him what facilities we had. Mr. HUBERT. You did in fact take both of them ultimately? Mr. FLEMING. We took both trucks, because as I said, after we had difficulty starting this one, we were afraid that the large truck might for some reason stall, and we wanted a standby truck in the event that should happen. I would estimate that we were at the terminal from 10 to 15 minutes prior to departing for the city hall. Mr. HUBERT. Now when you departed, what route did you take from the terminal to the city hall? Mr. FLEMING. I can’t tell you verbatim without referring to what was stated there. Mr. HUBERT. Is it stated in there? Mr. FLEMING. It is stated there, and we went over that on the map. That is the accurate route. Mr. HUBERT. You are referring to page 3 of Exhibit No. 1 of your deposition, the first paragraph in which the exact route is stated? Mr. FLEMING. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. You were riding, I think, in the passenger’s seat with Mr. Hall driving? Mr. FLEMING. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. Now did you notice whether there was a shotgun in the usual bracket for that purpose in the car? Mr. FLEMING. No; there was no shotgun. Mr. HUBERT. There was no shotgun? Mr. FLEMING. No. Mr. HUBERT. You would have seen it had it been there, because you were seated in the passenger’s seat where it would normally be, next to where it would be? Mr. FLEMING. There were no guns in the truck. Mr. HUBERT. When you got to the Commerce Street entrance, what did you do? Mr. FLEMING. The truck was backed into---- Mr. HUBERT. Did you get out?