Mr. AYCOX. This is where you want me to sign? Mr. GRIFFIN. You can sign it near the top where I put the marks on the page. Mr. AYCOX (signing). Both pages? Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don’t you initial the second page? Mr. AYCOX. Initial this one? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; just put your initials there. (Mr. Aycox initials.) Mr. GRIFFIN. Thank you very much. I appreciate your coming in this morning. TESTIMONY OF THOMAS STEWART PALMER The testimony of Thomas Stewart Palmer, was taken at 10:25 a.m., on July 24, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the President’s Commission. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me start by introducing myself again. I am Burt Griffin, and I am a member of the general counsel staff of the President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. I want to tell you a little bit about the Commission and what we expect to do here today before I administer the oath and ask you to testify. The Commission was set up pursuant to an Executive order issued by President Johnson on November 29, 1963, and also pursuant to a joint resolution of Congress. Under these two official acts, the Commission has been directed to inquire into, evaluate, and report back to President Johnson on all the facts that relate to the assassination of President Kennedy and the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. We have asked you to come here today, Mr. Palmer, particularly because you have had some past dealings with Jack Ruby, and we are hopeful that you can shed some light on the kind of person that Jack Ruby was. Now, under the rules and regulations of the Commission, I have been designated to take your deposition here today. Before we ask anybody to be sworn, the rules of the Commission provide that you are entitled to a 3-day written notice of your presence here, and I will ask you first of all if you have received a letter from the Commission 3 days before? Mr. PALMER. I have. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any questions about the testimony that is about to be taken? Mr. PALMER. None. Mr. GRIFFIN. If you will raise your right hand, I will administer the oath. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. PALMER. I do. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you state for the record your full name? Mr. PALMER. Thomas Stewart Palmer. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you now live? Mr. PALMER. 2728 West Davis. Mr. GRIFFIN. How are you employed? Mr. PALMER. I am self-employed, an entertainer. Mr. GRIFFIN. What sort of entertaining do you do? Mr. PALMER. Magician and comedian. Mr. GRIFFIN. In the Dallas area? Mr. PALMER. Primarily. Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you employed in any particular place? Mr. PALMER. Not at the present time. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you formerly an official of the AGVA? Mr. PALMER. I was branch manager. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was that? Mr. PALMER. Here in Dallas.