Mr. RUBENSTEIN. It is like the Catholics speak Latin in their churches and it is like Hebrew speaking to us kids in America, if you don’t know Hebrew you don’t understand it. We tried to get some meaning out of it just enough so that we could stay in school and then there was no use. It just didn’t absorb. There was no practice. That is the word, practice. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did your family, did your mother, observe any of the dietary laws? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes, yes; we had two sets of dishes, and very clean. My mother was very clean with the children and with her own life and her own family and her own home. She was very strict about those things. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you explain how it is that your mother would observe the dietary laws and so forth and yet the more religious, the formal religious aspect of the life was not incorporated in your home? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Very simple. You try to bring up eight kids in Chicago and keep them in shoes and keep them in school, out of jail, out of trouble, that was enough, that is the big problem. That is more important. Mr. GRIFFIN. There were troubles in your home, weren’t there? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Always. Mr. GRIFFIN. What kind of troubles? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Family troubles. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you be specific? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Between my father and mother. Mr. GRIFFIN. What seemed to be the trouble? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Arguments constantly, quarrels, unfortunately. Mr. GRIFFIN. What would they fight over? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Who knows? Mr. GRIFFIN. Did your father drink? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us about his drinking? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Always. He learned that in the army. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where would he drink, at home or go to a corner saloon or what? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I would say both. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he drink to excess? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was he abusive in any way? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you tell us about that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. My mother objected to it and they would start to fight and started an argument and sometimes they hit each other. Mr. GRIFFIN. They did separate at one time did they not? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the cause of the separation? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Just ill-feeling. Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were a child, did your mother have any peculiar ideas, any delusions of any sort, did she seem to have any mental problems? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; she always felt there was a bone stuck in her throat and about once a month I had to take her downtown. I being the oldest, to a clinic for 50 cents, we had clinics, you know those days, and she insisted there was a bone stuck in her throat from fish, and everytime we would go there the doctor would tell her, “Mrs. Rubenstein, there is nothing in your throat, you are imagining things. Why don’t you forget it.”