It became necessary then for me to indicate to our membership that while it was legal for them to accept employment wherever they wished, if it were in violation of our rules as a union, we were obligated to exercise a fine on them. And this, I believe, right up to the minute of the show, Barney indicated an indifference. Then he realized that this would do two things. First of all, put several of his people he liked out of business, or in jeopardy, let us say, to the amount of $100, I believe, per person. He decided to withdraw himself that evening and try to negotiate again with New York. And again, there was much confusion. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack Ruby ever accuse you of showing favoritism? Mr. PALMER. Frequently. On the other hand, I had to point out to him that I exercised extreme leniency in his welfare, to which he agreed, and was placated with this sort of thing. Mr. GRIFFIN. To your knowledge, were there other people in the business who were also trying to get these amateur nights stopped? Mr. PALMER. Yes. In fact, Irving Mazzie on the west coast, I believe, came into civil court with the, I think it was, Body Shop, and received several threats on his life. The same thing occurred, I believe, in the State of Washington in Seattle. There were three areas that seemed to subscribe more strongly than the others to that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Jack Ruby the only nightclub operator who was trying to get the amateur nights stopped, or were there others? Mr. PALMER. Those who were not subscribing to it were not the least bit interested, in my area. On the west coast, yes, there were other nightclub owners who were interested in having it stopped. I think this was essentially the time of the entire movement, but Jack was the only nightclub operator who was virtually trying to stop it. Abe wanted, in his own words, to cease, but felt from a business standpoint that he had to continue. He said it was a burden. I can see where it would be to your regular show. The Colony Club was situated so that it did not require this gimmick at anytime really to pep up business. Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to ask you about some of Ruby’s employees in particular. Was Tammi True an AGVA member? Mr. PALMER. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Kathy Kay? Mr. PALMER. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Little Lynn? Mr. PALMER. Not exactly. She had placed a down payment, and I don’t believe she ever finished payment. However, AGVA permits, as long as you are making a conscientious effort to pay your initiation dues, a 60-day period. During that 60 days, they can work on a temporary card type basis. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know why Kathy Kay did not return to work for Jack Ruby’s club after Jack was arrested? Mr. PALMER. No. I know only that she said she was afraid to and wanted to get out of town. I understood that she was leaving town. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was she afraid about?