Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don’t--all right, put it down, I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. The only recollection, I take it, you have---- Mr. RUBENSTEIN. From my folks when they told us when they came here. Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your occupation at the present time? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I am a salesman. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who do you work for? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I work for Davidson and Uphoff. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where is that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. 448 Mark Avenue, Clarendon Hills, Ill. Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you sell? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Florist supplies. Mr. GRIFFIN. What do those consist of? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Bird cages, stands, different things that the florists sell in their shops and greenhouses. Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you obliged to travel in the course of your employment? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Almost constantly. Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you give us a general idea of the area that you travel in? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Sure. Now, I cover Michigan. I have covered Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Kentucky, and Tennessee. With different firms but related to the same field. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long have you been covering Michigan? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. 11, 12 years. Mr. GRIFFIN. You said now you cover Michigan. I take it at the present time---- Mr. RUBENSTEIN. This is a new firm I am with. Mr. GRIFFIN. At the present time you don’t cover any State other than Michigan? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No; except this. In 1963 the firm I was with in New York, the Lewis Ribbon Co., merged with the International Artware Co. of Cleveland, so I had to go in business for myself. So, I still cover the same territory for myself as I did with Lewis Ribbon Co. in 1963. So I had a lot of money outstanding so I am trying to pick that up little by little as I am traveling through Illinois and eventually will travel through Wisconsin to pick up money I have coming from merchandise I have sold. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you leave the Lewis Ribbon Co.? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. 1963; January 1st. Mr. GRIFFIN. You say you went into business for yourself? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Right. Mr. GRIFFIN. What business did you go into then? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Same business, ribbons. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were these sold to floral customers? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Right. The same customers I had before. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you begin to work for the Davidson-Uphoff Co.? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Last month. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. So between approximately last January and last month or January 1963 and last month, you were employed for yourself, is that correct? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Practically. Mr. GRIFFIN. Practically? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I mean because I haven’t done much work since the incidents down in Dallas. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. When you were employed for yourself did you travel in any States other than Michigan? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; Illinois and Wisconsin. Mr. GRIFFIN. How much of your time was spent in each of those States? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. For one trip complete? In other words, if I had to make a State complete time, how much time would I spend in that State?