The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 05 (of 11) — Thomas Hobbes — John Shaqi
The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 05 (of 11)
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If the Bishop had considered the cogitations of his own mind, not then
when he disputeth, but then when he followed those businesses which he
calleth trifles, he would have found them the very same which he here
mentioneth; saving instead of _beating_, (because he is exempt from
that), he is to put _in damage_. For, setting aside the discourse of the
tongue in words of general signification, the ideas of our minds are the
same with those of other living creatures, created from visible,
audible, and other sensible objects to the eyes and other organs of
sense, as their’s are. For as the objects of sense are all individual,
that is, singular, so are all the fancies proceeding from their
operations; and men reason not but in words of universal signification,
uttered or tacitly thought on. But perhaps he thinketh remembrance of
words to be the ideas of those things which the words signify; and that
all fancies are not effected by the operation of objects upon the organs
of our senses. But to rectify him in those points is greater labour
(unless he had better principles) than I am willing, or have at this
time leisure, to undergo.
Lastly, whereas he says, “if their individual actions were absolutely
necessary, fear or hope could not alter them”: that is true. For it is
fear and hope, that makes them necessarily what they are.
NO. XV.
[Sidenote: The Bishop’s reply.]
_J. D._ “Thirdly, let this opinion be once radicated in the minds of
men, that there is no true liberty, and that all things come to pass
inevitably, and it will utterly destroy the study of piety. Who will
bewail his sins with tears? What will become of that grief, that zeal,
that indignation, that holy revenge, which the Apostle speaks of, if men
be once thoroughly persuaded that they could not shun what they did? A
man may grieve for that which he could not help; but he will never be
brought to bewail that as his own fault, which flowed not from his own
error, but from antecedent necessity. Who will be careful or solicitous
to perform obedience, that believeth there are inevitable bounds and
limits set to all his devotions, which he can neither go beyond, nor
come short of? To what end shall he pray God to avert those evils which
are inevitable, or to confer those favours which are impossible? We
indeed know not what good or evil shall happen to us: but this we know,
that if all things be necessary, our devotions and endeavours cannot
alter that which must be. In a word, the only reason why those persons,
who tread in this path of fatal destiny, do sometimes pray, or repent,
or serve God, is because the light of nature, and the strength of
reason, and the evidence of Scripture, do for that present transport
them from their ill-chosen grounds, and expel those stoical fancies out
of their heads. A complete Stoic can neither pray, nor repent, nor serve
God to any purpose. Either allow liberty, or destroy Church as well as