The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 07 (of 11)
Thomas Hobbes · en
Secondly, I desire to know in what manner you will be able out of this
definition to prove yourself a minister? Did Christ himself immediately
enjoin you to preach, or give you orders? No. Who then, some bishop, or
minister, or ministers? Yes; by what authority? Are you sure they had
authority immediately from Christ? No. How then are you sure but that
they might have none? At least, some of them through whom your authority
is derived might have none. And therefore if you run back for your
authority towards the Apostles’ times but a matter of sixscore years,
you will find your authority derived from the Pope, which words have a
sound very unlike to the voice of the laws of England. And yet the Pope
will not own you. There is no man doubts but that you hold that your
office comes to you by successive imposition of hands from the time of
the Apostles; which opinion in those gentle terms passeth well enough;
but to say you derive your authority from thence, not through the
authority of the sovereign power civil, is too rude to be endured in a
state that would live in peace. In a word, you can never prove you are a
minister, but by the supreme authority of the commonwealth. Why then do
you not put some such clause into your definition? As thus, _ministers
of the Gospel are those to whom the preaching of the Gospel is enjoined
by the sovereign power in the name of Christ_. What harm is there in
this definition, saving only it crosses the ambition of many men that
hold your principles? Then you define the power of a minister thus:
“_The power of a minister is that which belongeth to a minister of the
Gospel in virtue of the office he holds, inasmuch as he holds a public
station, and is distinguished from private Christians. Such as is the
power of preaching the Gospel, administering the sacrament, the use of
ecclesiastical censures, and ordaining of ministers_,” _&c._