179. *Skepsasthai kai syzêtêsai hoti pote estin; kai, tach' an, par' allêla skopountes, kai tribontes, hôsper ek pureiôn, eklampsai poiêsaimen tên dikaiosynên. Pater's translation: "to consider, to seek out, what the thing may be. Perchance using our eyes in common, rubbing away, we might cause Justice, for instance, to glint forth, as from fire-sticks." Plato, Meno 80d for the first line and, for the remainder, Republic 435a. 181. +Transliteration: hodos, kinêsis, methodos. Liddell and Scott definitions: "path, motion, method." 181. +Transliteration: Alla metathômetha. E-text editor's translation: "But let us follow out [a different path of thought]," or "let's examine this from a different perspective." For example, Plato, Republic 334e. 182. +Transliteration: noêtos topos. Pater's translation: "reasonable world." Plato, Republic 508b. 184. +Transliteration: homoion homoiô. Pater's translation: "like to like." Variants of the phrase occur in many of Plato's dialogues; see, for example, Parmenides 132d. 185. +Transliteration: hopê an ho logos, hôsper pneuma, pherê, tautê iteon. Pater's translation: "we must just go where the argument carries us, as a vessel runs before the wind." Plato, Republic 394d. 187. +Transliteration: epistêmê. Liddell and Scott definition "1. knowledge, understanding, skill, experience, wisdom; 2. scientific knowledge." 189. +Transliteration: Kindyneuei. Pater's translation: "it may chance to be." 190. +Transliteration: theôria. Liddell and Scott definition: "a looking at, viewing, beholding . . . contemplation, reflection." Pater defines it in Platonic terms as "immediate intuition." For example, Plato, Republic 486a. 190. +Transliteration: apokamnôn. Liddell and Scott definition: "grow[ing] quite weary." See, for example, Plato, Protagoras 333b. 191. +Transliteration: megaloprepôs. Liddell and Scott definition / E- text editor's translation: "liberally." The exchange between Thrasymachus and Socrates to which Pater refers begins at Republic 345b. 192. +Transliteration: Dialogos peirastikos. Pater's translation: "a Dialogue of search." 195. +Transliteration: kosmos. Liddell and Scott definition: "I. 1. order; 2. good order, good behaviour, decency; 3. a set form or order: of states, government; 4. the mode or fashion of a thing; II. an ornament. . .; III. the world or universe, from its perfect arrangement." CHAPTER 8: LACEDAEMON