MEGILLUS: Certainly, no one will ever find more striking instances of laws or governments being the salvation or destruction of great and noble interests, than are here presented to his view. ATHENIAN: Then now we seem to have happily arrived at a real and important question. MEGILLUS: Very true. ATHENIAN: Did you never remark, sage friend, that all men, and we ourselves at this moment, often fancy that they see some beautiful thing which might have effected wonders if any one had only known how to make a right use of it in some way; and yet this mode of looking at things may turn out after all to be a mistake, and not according to nature, either in our own case or in any other? MEGILLUS: To what are you referring, and what do you mean? ATHENIAN: I was thinking of my own admiration of the aforesaid Heracleid expedition, which was so noble, and might have had such wonderful results for the Hellenes, if only rightly used; and I was just laughing at myself. MEGILLUS: But were you not right and wise in speaking as you did, and we in assenting to you? ATHENIAN: Perhaps; and yet I cannot help observing that any one who sees anything great or powerful, immediately has the feeling that--'If the owner only knew how to use his great and noble possession, how happy would he be, and what great results would he achieve!' MEGILLUS: And would he not be justified? ATHENIAN: Reflect; in what point of view does this sort of praise appear just: First, in reference to the question in hand:--If the then commanders had known how to arrange their army properly, how would they have attained success? Would not this have been the way? They would have bound them all firmly together and preserved them for ever, giving them freedom and dominion at pleasure, combined with the power of doing in the whole world, Hellenic and barbarian, whatever they and their descendants desired. What other aim would they have had? MEGILLUS: Very good. ATHENIAN: Suppose any one were in the same way to express his admiration at the sight of great wealth or family honour, or the like, he would praise them under the idea that through them he would attain either all or the greater and chief part of what he desires. MEGILLUS: He would. ATHENIAN: Well, now, and does not the argument show that there is one common desire of all mankind? MEGILLUS: What is it? ATHENIAN: The desire which a man has, that all things, if possible,--at any rate, things human,--may come to pass in accordance with his soul's desire. MEGILLUS: Certainly. ATHENIAN: And having this desire always, and at every time of life, in youth, in manhood, in age, he cannot help always praying for the fulfilment of it. MEGILLUS: No doubt. ATHENIAN: And we join in the prayers of our friends, and ask for them what they ask for themselves. MEGILLUS: We do. ATHENIAN: Dear is the son to the father--the younger to the elder. MEGILLUS: Of course.