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102. _Socr._ He, therefore, who means to pursue the art of rhetoric,
ought first of all to have distinguished these methodically, and to have
discovered a certain character of each species, both of that in which
the generality of men must necessarily be led astray, and of that in
which that is not the case.
_Phæ._ He who has attained to this, Socrates, will have devised a noble
classification of species.
_Socr._ Then, I think, when he comes to each particular case, he ought
not to be at a loss, but should perceive quickly to which of the two
classes the subject, on which he is going to speak, belongs.
_Phæ._ How not?
_Socr._ What then with respect to Love? shall we say that he belongs to
things doubtful, or to such as are not so?
_Phæ._ To things doubtful, surely; otherwise do you think he would have
allowed you to say what you just now said about him, that he is both a
mischief to the beloved and the lover, and again, that he is the
greatest of blessings?
_Socr._ You speak admirably. But tell me this too, for from being
carried away by enthusiasm, I do not quite remember whether I defined
love at the beginning of my speech.
_Phæ._ By Jupiter you did, and with wonderful accuracy.
103. _Socr._ Alas; how much more artistic in speech-making do you say
the nymphs of Acheloüs and Pan son of Mercury are than Lysias son of
Cephalus! Or am I wrong, and did Lysias too, in the beginning of his
love-speech, compel us to conceive of Love, as some one particular
thing, which he wished it to be, and then complete all the rest of his
speech in accordance with this? Are you willing that we should read over
again the beginning of his speech?
_Phæ._ If you wish it; though what you seek is not there.
_Socr._ Read, however, that I may hear him in person.
104. _Phæ._ “You are well acquainted with the state of my affairs, and I
think you have heard, that it would be for our advantage if this took
place. And I claim, not for this reason to fail in my request, because I
do not happen to be one of your lovers: for they repent of the benefits
they have conferred, as soon as their desires cease.”
_Socr._ He seems to be far indeed from doing what we are seeking for,
since in making his speech he attempts to swim backwards, with his face
uppermost, not setting out from the beginning, but from the end, and he
begins with what the lover would say to his favourite at the close of
his speech. Have I said nothing to the purpose, Phædrus, my dear friend?
_Phæ._ It is indeed, Socrates, the end of the subject about which he is
speaking.