=Ma.= But procéede with your argument. =Pam.= Those which are rapt in the spirite, or fallen into a traunce (as they call it) neyther heare, nor sée, nor smell, nor féele any thing, no though you would kil them. =Ma.= Surely I haue hard say so. =Pa.= And what think you to be the cause of this insensibilitie. =Ma.= I would learne that of you which are a Philosopher. =Pam.= Bicause (pardie) the soule or minde is in heauen, where it hath that which it vehemently loueth, & is not present with the body. =Ma.= And what is next? what conclude you vpon this? =Pam.= Askest thou what O cruell? euen this necessarily followeth, my selfe to be deade, and thy selfe to bée a murtherer. =Ma.= Why, where is your soule become and God wil? =Pam.= There it is, where it loueth. =Ma.= And who hath reft it from you? why sigh you man? speake and feare not, you shall not be hindered by me. =Pam.= A certaine cruell and pittilesse mayde, whome neuerthelesse I cannot finde in my hart to hate, being by hir spoyled of my life. =Ma.= Ah, a louing hart, ah gentle nature. But why do you not againe take from hir, hir soule, and serue hir as they saye, with the same sause. =Pam.= The happiest in the worlde, were I, if I could make that exchaunge (I meane) that hir minde might come dwell in my brest, in sorte as mine hath wholye dwelled in hir body. =Ma.= But wil you giue me leaue now eftsones a while to play the Sophister his part with you? =Pam.= Nay the Sophistresse parte. =Ma.= Is it possible that one and the same bodie both haue the soule and be without the soule. =Pam.= Not both togither or at one time. =Ma.= When the soule is awaye, then the body (you say) is deade. =Pam.= Truth. =Ma.= And it lyueth not but when y^e soule is present withall? =Pam.= Be it so verily. =Ma.= How commeth this to passe then, that y^e soule being there where it loueth, the body yet wherout it is departed, neuerthelesse lyueth? for if it lyueth in one place, when it loueth in an other, by what reasō is it called _Exanime Corpus_, as you would say, a lifelesse body, since it hath life and sense in it. =Pam.= By saint Marie you playe the Sophistres meetelye well, howbeit you cannot snarle me in such chicken bandes. That soule which after a sort gouerneth the bodye of a liuing creature being in suche case is improperly called the soule, for in very dede it is a certaine small portion of the soule, which remaineth behind, euen as the sauor of Roses tarieth still in the hande of him, which bare them, when y^e very Roses themselues be done away. =Ma.= I sée well inough it is hard to take a foxe in a pitch, but answere me to this also. Is not he a doer which murthereth. =Pam.= What else. =Ma.= And is not y^e partie a sufferer, who is murthered? =Pam.= Yes.