Mr. SERVEN. Which have to be read into our contract, of course. The only way we could make a contract which would give public-performance rights would be by furnishing the purchaser a contract or with an agreement from us that they should have the performing right, and it seems to us that the sole matter that is at stake in this controversy between these gentlemen and ourselves is simply this: Not whether or not we have sold them performing rights in the past, but whether or not we shall sell them performing rights in the future, and should you pass this act I think if the publishers should decline under that to sell performing rights, I think I see very clearly that they would have the right to go into the courts and compel it. Mr. CHANEY. You would not make any sales. Mr. SERVEN. We would sell to the people who came to us, if they wanted us to. We might sell them the right to perform it anywhere in the United States, or we might say that we would sell them the right to perform it once or ten times or whatever way we might want to limit it, in a certain place, or at certain places, for instance. Mr. BONYNGE. Would not that be a good deal better than the way it is? Mr. SERVEN. Possibly it would; I am not sure. But from the point of view of the fellow who proceeds in an enterprise without investigating the law, that would certainly take care of him, and while it would mean a little more trouble and expense on our part, it would tell him, "If you steal our performing rights you will be subject to punishment, and therefore if you do not buy it, we will send you up for a term;" and if we do it for other things, I do not know why we should not do it for music. The CHAIRMAN. I must tell you that you only have two or three minutes left. Mr. SERVEN. I will just take one minute more. We have not made exorbitant profits, as may perhaps be suggested by a copy of the letter which the chairman showed yesterday--a good many of them. That seems to be a stock letter, prepared by somebody who is directly interested in the enactment of this legislation---- The CHAIRMAN. We will not be able to hear any other gentlemen on your side this morning. (Informal discussion followed about the method of procedure.) Mr. WEBB. Would you be satisfied if we were to restrict the performance of your music to charitable performances or where no charge was made? Mr. SERVEN. If you will hand in hand with that restrict the persons who perform our music to doing so without compensation, I think I may say, can I not [addressing some of the music publishers present], that we would be willing to do that. But we do not understand--we do not believe that you ought to say to us that we must furnish our property without compensation, while all the rest get compensation. Mr. FURNESS. Providing those people would write to the author--the composer. Let us be the controller of the property belonging to us.