Mr. TINDALE. They pay for everything else; they pay for the carpet on the floor and the lights and carriages that come to the church entertainments. Mr. FURNESS. I am sure in the case of the firm I am connected with--Oliver Ditson Company, of New York, Philadelphia, and Boston--that we would not object to helping charitable performances at any time; that where the people were not able to buy books we would be glad to lend them. The CHAIRMAN. Would you object, then, to an amendment that they might be loaned for charitable purposes, the only prerequisites being that they should notify the publisher that they would desire the loan of the books, or do you desire to pass on each application? Mr. FURNESS. Yes; we would prefer to pass on each application. I think we would hesitate to agree to anything else. Mr. FROEMNE. As a matter of fact, don't you buy most of your publications? Aren't they your own property? Mr. TINDALE. Absolutely not. Nine-tenths of them are published on a royalty. Mr. FROEMNE. Then you don't buy them outright? Mr. TINDALE. Very seldom. Mr. FROEMNE. How many publications have you in your establishment that are bought outright? Mr. TINDALE. One out of ten. Mr. FROEMNE. How many? Mr. TINDALE. That would take a calculation. Mr. FROEMNE. I would like to know for the information of the committee how many they have. As a matter of fact, most of them are bought outright. They give them a trifling sum of $50 or $25--even $10. Mr. FURNESS. That is not true, Mr. Chairman, and I want to be put down on the record as saying it is not true. We have publications to-day, and we are paying large royalties on the full retail price of the article, which never retails for that price, and in most cases at one-half that price. The CHAIRMAN. Just a minute. The members of the Publishers' Association may have until next Wednesday to file any statement they please, which will be made a part of the record. Mr. SERVEN. I would like five minutes more. The CHAIRMAN. I can not give you the time. Mr. BONYNGE. That is all the time we have. The CHAIRMAN. We will hear you for five minutes [addressing Mr. Froemne]. STATEMENT OF MR. HERMAN FROEMNE. Mr. FROEMNE. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, first I would wish to try to straighten out a few false statements that were made yesterday, and I want to say that they were made not by mistake, but absolutely---- The CHAIRMAN. I don't think we want anything of that kind to go in the record.