Mr. FROEMNE. I will explain it. There are in this association of publishers about 25 members, and of those 25 members, I believe I told you yesterday, a number of them are absolutely fair and just; and like any other organization, you will find a few that are not; and this circular, in which there was an attempt made to have every member sign them, only secured seven signatures, or eight, of which Mr. Ditson represented three. He is from Boston, New York, and Philadelphia, as he told you himself. This circular was sent out last January, and has injured Mr. Tams, not in the renting of these particular cantatas, masses, and so forth, but other works which he has, and publications of his own. Now, I will show you where Mr. Tams's profits come in on publications which he owns. He can print thousands of them, costing him only 1 or 2 cents apiece, which he rents out at the same price as the publications which he has to buy at 50 cents or a dollar apiece. This circular has stopped him. We have letters in our possession from parties writing to him. I saw one to-day. [Addressing a gentleman.] About what is that last one? I mean before we left New York? [After receiving a suggestion from the gentleman.] "The Crucifixion," a publication by Mr. Tams. Therefore that interferes with the other business, or his library business, for it is conceded, and my friends will not deny, that Mr. Tams has the largest library in the world. Before coming before your committee to show you we were absolutely fair and just and didn't want anyone to take advantage of this amendment, that the phraseology was absolutely correct, we met their attorney, Mr. Serven, a few days ago, and I explained to him my purpose. He himself saw the justice of it. Mr. Bayly, who represents a reputable house here in Washington (Ellis & Co.)--they didn't sign the circular, by the way--didn't see any impropriety in it, but they said they expected two men from New York, and if they could arrange with them, no doubt the matter would be adjusted. I said: "Change the phraseology; do whatever you like; do not interfere with that property which we have bought and which we claim we have a right to rent in order to at least get our money back, many thousands of dollars, which they cost us." It can not be denied, we can prove it by the bills, that Mr. Tams has paid for the past fifteen years from three to four thousand dollars for books which he bought of them. They knew he had a library; they permitted him to rent it; they knew he had rented it, and it is only recently that they are trying to stop it. Mr. SULZER. Do you mean $3,000 or $4,000 a year?