Mr. FROEMNE. Yes. So making it altogether from $45,000 to $60,000. As he explained to you yesterday, a work can not be loaned out more than five years once a year. It is then worn out, the pages break, and you can not use them any longer. He can not reprint them; if he did, of course he would make himself liable to the provisions of the law. So he doesn't get more than what it costs him for renting it, and it is a blessing to those who rent from him--that is what those societies say. They can go to Mr. Tams or to anyone else, or to another society, and rent these books for 10 cents apiece, or whatever the price. Now, I want to say that these gentlemen are very unjust, as has been brought out by some of the questions asked by the committee. "What do you object to if this is done without profit?" Well, they don't know exactly, except that they object. That is about the only conclusion I could reach as to what their answers mean. Now, they show great feeling toward charitable organizations--they show what great philanthropists they are---- The CHAIRMAN. The time has expired. Anything further you desire to submit can be submitted in writing before next Wednesday, and will go in as part of the hearing. The same privilege will be extended to the music publishers. I want to ask the representatives of the latter gentlemen present what their objection is to a bill if we amend the law in this way: Nothing in this act shall be construed so as to prevent the performance for charitable purposes, and not for profit, of religious and secular works, and so forth, rented or borrowed by a public school, church choir, or vocal society, when rented or borrowed from a public school, church choir, or vocal society. Mr. FROEMNE. Or from the libraries up to the present time. The CHAIRMAN. In the amendment I suggest now I will strike out "from any person or musical library." Mr. TINDALE. That would be very easily evaded. The CHAIRMAN. You can state your objection in the supplementary statement you file. I wish to say for myself--and I think I speak for the committee--that as the thing now rests in the minds of many members of the committee we had better endeavor to reach some kind of a compromise proposition. I think you had better direct your attention to some modification of the law. Mr. TINDALE. We are speaking for the American composer who furnishes this entertainment. The CHAIRMAN. You have run for more than a hundred years with no serious trouble, as you stated to us yesterday. Then came the musical libraries, men conducting an establishment like that of Mr. Tams, and the objection urged yesterday by you gentlemen to any modification of the law was on account of that. Now, suppose we cut that all out?