Mr. CAMERON. Yes; something that is capable of conveying to the reader, if you may call him such, the idea of the author. Mr. CHANEY. And in that respect it would cut out the music-roll proposition altogether? Mr. CAMERON. As my predecessor has told you, there is a dispute in regard to that, and I am not qualified to state. As far as I have been able to analyze the evidence, the preponderance is against the idea that the music roll can be read. But I do know this: There is a graphophone record of the disk form [exhibiting record to the committee]. There is a graphophone record of the cylinder form [exhibiting record]. I defy anyone--I defy Mr. Sousa to read that and tell whether it is one of his marches or whether it is a speech of a Member of Congress. [Laughter.] Mr. CHANEY. They are often very much alike. [Laughter.] Mr. CAMERON. They are both musical. [Laughter.] Mr. MCGAVIN. They are alike in volume of sound. [Laughter.] Mr. CAMERON. I am not making this statement theoretically nor as a lawyer. I make it as an expert in this particular art. I have spent months and months of time with the microscope myself striving to do that very thing, and I know it can not be done. Now, let us go one step further. What is it that makes that graphophonic record valuable? I can take Mr. Sousa's score and I can select some person, some alleged musician in this audience, and I can hand him a graphophone and tell him to make that record, and it would not be worth one cent upon the market. It takes the genius of a Sousa to play into the horn. It takes the voice of the magnificent singer to sing into the horn; and it takes the skill of the mechanician who is operating the graphophone to make a fine record that has a marketable value. You ask me if I would use Sousa's march, make that record and sell it, and not pay him any royalty. I answer, "Yes; I would;" because I have paid him royalty. Whenever Mr. Sousa publishes one of his pieces of music and puts it out upon the market and I pay the price of that music, that sheet of music passes from under the monopoly, just as when I patent a cornet and sell the cornet to Mr. Sousa, and he pays the price for it, it passes out from under the patent monopoly, and he has a right to use it. Suppose I should come here and say to you that every time one of Mr. Sousa's cornet players played the cornet that I had sold to him that he should pay me royalty for having played it! That is what he is asking of you. That is not all.