Mr. Sousa himself does not scorn, as he pretended to the other day, these "infernal talking machines." The day has been when Mr. Sousa himself came with advance scores and begged to have them put upon the machines, in order that they might popularize his own music. Nor is that all. He to-day is under contract, and he plays into these "infernal machines" with his band, and he is contributing, as he told you a few days ago, to stifle these "beautiful young voices that now have disappeared throughout our city and our land." [Laughter.] He does it for the almighty dollar. That is what he is after, and he frankly told you so. Mr. SOUSA. I am honest, anyway. [Laughter.] Mr. CAMERON. You are; and, as I said to you the other day, I respect you for it. All the men urging this bill are not as honest as you are, sir. Mr. CHANEY. That is neither here nor there. We give them all credit for being honest. Mr. CAMERON. I would not have made that remark if I had not been interrupted. It was stated a moment ago, and it is a fact of which I wanted to speak, that the intention here is to give everyone a fair show. The gentleman here on my left (Mr. Webb) suggested that this bill would not prohibit the perforated music rolls (and the same question would apply to the graphophonic cylinder) from the reproduction of those pieces of music or other copyrightable works which had appeared and been copyrighted prior to this act. In that he is in error. Section 3 says: Any and all reproductions, or copies thereof, in whatever form, style, or size, and all matter reproduced therein in which copyright is already subsisting. So that it does not go only to matter that is copyrighted subsequent to the passage of this act. Mr. WEBB. I was speaking particularly of section g. That was the section that the gentleman was objecting to, and I referred to that particular portion. Mr. CAMERON. The act, however, would apply by reason of section 3 to subsisting copyright. Mr. WEBB. Yes; that may be so. Mr. CAMERON. There is a situation in the talking-machine art that is perhaps divisible. You see two distinct forms of records. The company which I represent--the American Graphophone Company--makes both of those forms. There are a great many other companies, some of them making the machines and the records, and some of them making only the records. Some of them make the cylindrical form of record and some of them make the disk form of record; but there are two large, prominent companies, one of which makes the disk form of record and the other of which makes the cylindrical form of record. As I say, the company which I represent makes both.