Follow me now, if you please. There is also as close a musical trust, as has already been said to you by my predecessor, in this country as it is possible to form. That extends not only throughout this country, but throughout the world. There are a few musical geniuses who are able to stand above it and make them scramble for the genius. You have two of them with you to-day, Victor Herbert and John Philip Sousa. But John Philip Sousa can not speak for the struggling young composer who is not powerful enough to compel this trust to come to him instead of the young man going to the trust. How does that effect us? Did you hear any opposition to this bill from the attorney of the Victor Talking Machine Company? No. They make the disk form of record. Have you heard any opposition from the National Phonograph Works--the Edison Company--in regard to this bill? No. They make the cylindrical form of record. Why does the Victor Talking Machine Company come here with such a virtuous show of regard for the author, and say they have no objection to this? Why is not the representative of the Edison Company--the National Phonograph Works--here opposing this bill? Because, as I charge, and I think I can substantiate it before I get through--not here, but I mean before the hearings before this committee are through--there is under way the same iniquitous proceeding that was outlined to you by my predecessor in connection with the music rolls. Mr. PETTIT. That is absolutely untrue, as far as the Victor Talking Machine is concerned. Mr. CAMERON. You can have a chance to reply when your time comes. One company gets the exclusive right to make the disk form of record from copyrighted music, and the other the exclusive right to make the cylindrical form of record. Let us assume for a minute that what the gentleman says is literally true. Let us assume, I say. Is it not possible for just that combination to be made, and should the American Graphophone Company, which has millions of dollars invested in the enterprise, honestly and fairly built up under the laws of this country, money put in and money which it had an absolute right to presume the law would protect--should that company be placed in the position where it should be practically driven out of business by any such monopolistic combination? Will you gentlemen give them that opportunity?