Mr. SOUSA. An organization known as "Sousa and his band," employed just as any other body of musicians, in which I have no part myself, plays into the instrument. That goes under arrangements made with the management of that organization to play anybody's compositions that these firms may elect; it may be a noncopyrighted piece or a copyrighted piece, or anything else. Mr. CAMERON. I am very glad Mr. Sousa stated that. He says that he does not play his own music only, but his band stands ready to play any other man's music, copyrighted or not copyrighted, into these machines. Mr. SOUSA. Not myself; no. Senator LATIMER. I want to ask a question of Mr. Sousa, so as to clear the matter up a little further. The statement is that you have a band that plays into these instruments, and you, I understand, have denied that? Mr. SOUSA. No, sir; I do not deny that "Sousa and his band," an organization known as "Sousa and his band," play for talking machines. Senator LATIMER. Do I understand you to say that you have no connection with that band? Mr. SOUSA. I am the director of that band, but I have no personal part in the performance of those pieces. I have never been in the gramophone company's office in my life. Mr. MCGAVIN. Do you play for anyone else besides the Victor Talking Machine Company? Mr. SOUSA. My manager has a contract with them for so many performances. Senator LATIMER. You have an interest in the band and receive profit from it? Mr. SOUSA. Yes; surely. Mr. WEBB. You allow your name to be used all over the country? Mr. SOUSA. In the performance of these pieces, certainly. Mr. CAMERON. That was my charge. Mr. HERBERT. In regard to the untruth the gentleman has stated---- The CHAIRMAN. Do you want to deny any statement that he has made? Mr. HERBERT. Yes. In regard to this, naturally it would be inferred that it was the same case with me. In fact, he mentioned us two together. A band played into these instruments, calling itself "Victor Herbert's band," and I sued the talking machine company. That is what I got out of the company. Mr. CAMERON. The gentleman misunderstood me. I have made no statement in regard to him, and I have no information in regard to him one way or the other. Mr. CURRIER. He made no charge against you, Mr. Herbert. Mr. HERBERT. Since our names have been linked all the time, I thought he intended what he said to apply to me also. Mr. PETTIT. I would like to say to Mr. Cameron in regard to his statement about the Victor Company and Mr. Sousa, that whenever we have used Mr. Sousa's music, or rather whenever we used his band on Victor records, we always paid him for it--that is, we pay Mr. Sousa for playing. Senator LATIMER. I want to bring out one point in connection with that. In making these records, if I understand, now, Mr. Sousa has a band that represents him, playing these pieces, and you pay for that music when you get it, or do you not? Mr. CAMERON. Whoever employed Mr. Sousa pays for it.