Governor Bradford's first dialogue : $b A dialogue, or the sum of a conference between some young men born in New England and sundry ancient men that came out of Holland and old England, anno Domini 1648. — John Shaqi
Governor Bradford's first dialogue : $b A dialogue, or the sum of a conference between some young men born in New England and sundry ancient men that came out of Holland and old England, anno Domini 1648.Bradford, William
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Governor Bradford's first dialogue : $b A dialogue, or the sum of a conference between some young men born in New England and sundry ancient men that came out of Holland and old England, anno Domini 1648.
Bradford, William
Pilgrims (New Plymouth Colony) -- Early works to 1800; Separatists
_Ancient men._--As we dare say Mr. Baylie intends no honor to the
persons by what he says, either to those here or from whence they came,
so are they far from seeking any to themselves, but rather are ashamed
that their weak working hath brought no more glory to God; and if in
any thing God hath made any of them instruments for the good of his
people in any measure, they desire he only may have the glory. And
whereas Mr. Baylie affirmeth that, however it was, in a few years the
most who settled in the land did agree to model themselves after Mr.
Robinson’s pattern, we agree with reverend Mr. Cotton, that “there was
no agreement by any solemn or common consultation; but that it is true
they did, as if they had agreed, by the same spirit of truth and unity,
set up, by the help of Christ, the same model of churches, one like to
another; and if they of Plymouth have helped any of the first comers in
their theory, by hearing and discerning their practices, therein the
Scripture is fulfilled that the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven
which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal until all was
leavened.” Answer to Mr. Baylie, page 17.
_Young men._--We desire to know how many have been put to death for
this cause, and what manner of persons they were, and what occasions
were taken against them by bringing them to their end.
_Ancient men._--We know certainly of six that were publicly executed,
besides such as died in prisons; Mr. Henry Barrow, Mr. Greenwood (these
suffered at Tyburn); Mr. Penry at St. Thomas Waterings, by London; Mr.
William Dennis, at Thetford, in Norfolk; two others at St. Edmund’s,
in Suffolk, whose names were Copping and Elias [Thacker]. These two
last mentioned were condemned by cruel Judge Popham, whose countenance
and carriage was very rough and severe toward them, with many sharp
menaces. But God gave them courage to bear it, and to make this answer:
“My Lord, your face we fear not,
And for your threats we care not,
And to come to your read service, we dare not.”
These two last named were put to death for dispersing of books.
For Mr. Dennis, he was a godly man, and faithful in his place; but
what occasion was taken against him, we know not, more than the common
cause.
For Mr. Penry, how unjustly he was charged, himself hath made manifest
to the world in his books, and that Declaration which he made a little
before his suffering; all which are extant in print, with some of his
godly letters.
As for Mr. Barrow and Mr. Greenwood, it also appears by their own
writings how those statutes formerly made against the Papists were
wrested against them, and they condemned thereupon; as may be seen by
their Examinations.
_Young men._--But these were rigid Brownists, and lie under much
aspersion, and their names much blemished and beclouded, not only by
enemies, but even by godly and very reverend men.
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