Mr. TAVENNER. As a member of the party and he was a Smith Act defendant. He was a teacher at this school. It is observed here on the second page that a course on trade-union organizational problems was to be taught by a person by the name of J-a-c-k-i-n-s. What was his first name, Harvey? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t recall Jackins too well. Was he a member of the union, the Boeing union? Mr. TAVENNER. I am not certain which union. Mr. O’CONNELL. I know there was a party by the name of Jackins and that he was a leader in some one of the unions out there and my best recollection is he was in the Boeing union. Mr. TAVENNER. We have testimony before our committee that Harvey Jackins taught at this school and I think the record should also show Harvey Jackins was identified as a member of the Communist Party by Elizabeth Boggs Cohen and Leonard Basil Wildman. He was cited for contempt of the House of Representatives for refusal to answer questions during the June 1954 hearings in Seattle and has been convicted by a Federal court. Mr. O’CONNELL. In that connection I want to--I notice in that schedule that my name is listed as teaching a course in political---- Mr. TAVENNER. Yes. Labor’s political role, 1948. Mr. O’CONNELL. I never taught such a class or roll or schedule. Never appeared or anything else. Mr. TAVENNER. Well, you were enrolled as a teacher, were you not, in the labor school? Mr. O’CONNELL. I was not. I never taught a class in the labor school, never appeared in the labor school. Mr. TAVENNER. What is your explanation of the advertising of the curriculum with you as a teacher? Mr. O’CONNELL. My explanation is really easy. Mr. Daschbach got that schedule out and later called me and asked me if I would do it and I refused and told him I didn’t want to do it. Mr. TAVENNER. He did call you and you refused? Mr. O’CONNELL. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Why did you refuse? Mr. O’CONNELL. Because I didn’t want to do it. Mr. TAVENNER. What was your reason for not wanting to do it? Mr. O’CONNELL. Let me see what it was. If I remember correctly, my objection was to “tackle both ideological and organizational problems which labor must solve to gain its ends in 1948.” And my particular objection, of course, was that I had never been involved, never was a member of a labor union or trade-union, and I didn’t, I couldn’t speak as a laboring man or as a member of organized labor. There was no particular way that I could particularly expound on what labor’s role was because I wasn’t qualified to do it. I had either been in political office or had been engaged in political organization. Mr. VELDE. Did you know at that time that the Pacific Northwest Labor School was a Communist organization? Mr. O’CONNELL. No. Mr. VELDE. What was the date of that? Mr. TAVENNER. 1947.