Mr. O’CONNELL. I know absolutely none. As I said earlier, and I am sure Bob had no connection with the Washington situation that you have read about in detail. I think like a great many others in that depression period, there were all kinds of discussions of panaceas to solve the economic situation that existed at the time. I am positive that Bob Marshall was not a member of the Communist Party, that he was not influenced by the Communists in the preparation of that will or the provisions that are in it, and as a trustee I want to assure you that I can’t think of a single instance, a single instance where any grant of any money was made to any organization to begin an economy based on production for use or propagandize it or publicize it or anything. I can remember at one time the National Farmers Union came to the foundation, Mr. Patton, the national president, particularly presented the proposal and wanted to establish branch centers throughout the United States trying to some extent bring about what he called a cooperative movement and an economy based upon cooperatives. I think he wanted an immediate expenditure of some $160,000 and it was rejected by the trustees. I know that. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you acquainted with Lem Harris? Mr. O’CONNELL. No; I was not acquainted with Lem Harris. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know him? Mr. O’CONNELL. I think I know who he is. Wasn’t he in the Department of Agriculture? Mr. TAVENNER. He was in the Department of Agriculture. He spent many years in the Soviet Union, studying and working in the field of agriculture. He was prominent in organizations interested in agriculture in this country. He was before this committee and refused to testify as to his prior or present Communist Party membership, relying upon the fifth amendment. He was considered the head of the agricultural division of the Communist Party in the United States. Did he importune in behalf of the National Farmers Union in procuring grants? Mr. O’CONNELL. He particularly never talked to me or never asked me to do it. I don’t know whether---- Mr. TAVENNER. You don’t need to put it on such a personal basis. As a trustee you know whether he did or did not. Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t know. As a trustee, Gardner Jackson, who I think was employed by the National Farmers Union, actually talked more and actually guided the trust or the foundation as far as agricultural matters were concerned, and I, of course, all I--I never met Lem Harris. Mr. TAVENNER. You wouldn’t have to meet Lem Harris to know what influence he had to bear upon the making of grants by your trustees. Mr. O’CONNELL. I know of no influence he had, particularly as far as I am concerned. He never importuned me at any time to vote for anybody or grant any money to any organization.